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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: nadieimportante on June 08, 2012, 07:10:17 AM
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from Bishop Fellay's latest interview with DICI:
Bishop Fellay: "It is still true—since it is Church law—that in order to open a new chapel or to found a work, it would be necessary to have the permission of the local ordinary. We have quite obviously reported to Rome how difficult our present situation was in the dioceses, and Rome is still working on it. Here or there, this difficulty will be real, but since when is life without difficulties? "
Nadieimportante's interpretation:
SSPX priest- we'd like to build a school in your diocese
Local Diocese man in charge (LD) - sounds good send us all the plans and information
SSPX- it's been three months since we talked, I sent you all the plans a month ago, any response?
LD - no, the bishop has been very busy.
SSPX - (pressures LD for a response and then) It's now 1 year and we've received only excuses, what's going on?
LD- the bishop wants to know why you need a school, the diocese already has schools?
SSPX - (something they can never say) our schools are different, we don't teach sex education, and we don't use the CCC, and we don't allow anyone but trad Catholics in our schools.
LD- forget about it, take that argument to Rome and see what you'll get
END - no school
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These comments of Bishop Fellay seemingly add credence and veracity to a post appearing here (and initiaally on Ignis Ardens) which purported to give details of the deal Bishop Fellay wanted to push, one of the conditions of which was that the SSPX would be at the mercy of the local bishop to approve any new building projects, chapels, etc.
Other disturbing elements contained in that same post alleged that only SSPX buildings 3 yrs old or more would be allowed to continue to operate.
Very interesting.
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In reference to SSPX properties of 3 years or less, I was informed that this is good from +Fellay's perspective. Allegedly, these properties are weighing the SSPX down in debt and Menzingen would be delighted to be "forced" to sell them off.
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And selling off property will help fund the new U.S. seminary that Bishop Fellay would like to build on all those beautiful acres they purchased in Virginia, but have nowhere near the funds to do it as things stand currently. That's OK, of course, because it will draw many new vocations to the priesthood! Quasi-Traditionalists, of course. What else will Rome accept? :pop:
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The proposed architectural style of the new seminary in Virginia reminds me of Disney. It will fit in with a modern view of tradition that is becoming very artificial. The concept of 'themed religion' is worth exploring for its financial potential!
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The proposed architectural style of the new seminary in Virginia reminds me of Disney. It will fit in with a modern view of tradition that is becoming very artificial. The concept of 'themed religion' is worth exploring for its financial potential!
And it will be in range of Washington DC and close to Thomas Jefferson's abode. Good for the new orientation of Opus Fellay.
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The proposed architectural style of the new seminary in Virginia reminds me of Disney. It will fit in with a modern view of tradition that is becoming very artificial. The concept of 'themed religion' is worth exploring for its financial potential!
I would like to hear more about this. Perhaps you could start a new topic specifically on this subject.
I did know that the SSPX wanted to build a new seminary. I did not know that it was going to be in Virginia, nor did I know that any architectural plans had been made or made public. Is an artist's concept drawing available somewhere on the internet? What is it about the "style" that reminds you of Disney? Please elaborate as I am very curious about this statement.
But please...don't derail this topic. Start a new one. I think it would be worth it.
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The proposed architectural style of the new seminary in Virginia reminds me of Disney. It will fit in with a modern view of tradition that is becoming very artificial. The concept of 'themed religion' is worth exploring for its financial potential!
And it will be in range of Washington DC and close to Thomas Jefferson's abode. Good for the new orientation of Opus Fellay.
Or Opus-Odysseus-Fellay. :reading:
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SSPX schools in the USA are teaching heliocentrism without any discussion of biblical geocentrism.
SSPX schools in the USA are producing plays by the notorious sodomite Oscar Wilde.
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These comments of Bishop Fellay seemingly add credence and veracity to a post appearing here (and initiaally on Ignis Ardens) which purported to give details of the deal Bishop Fellay wanted to push, one of the conditions of which was that the SSPX would be at the mercy of the local bishop to approve any new building projects, chapels, etc.
Other disturbing elements contained in that same post alleged that only SSPX buildings 3 yrs old or more would be allowed to continue to operate.
Very interesting.
I guess then its useless for the SSPX to build a seminary in Virginia, as the building will be shut down or forbidden to be built by the Modern church.
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These comments of Bishop Fellay seemingly add credence and veracity to a post appearing here (and initiaally on Ignis Ardens) which purported to give details of the deal Bishop Fellay wanted to push, one of the conditions of which was that the SSPX would be at the mercy of the local bishop to approve any new building projects, chapels, etc.
Other disturbing elements contained in that same post alleged that only SSPX buildings 3 yrs old or more would be allowed to continue to operate.
Very interesting.
I guess then its useless for the SSPX to build a seminary in Virginia, as the building will be shut down or forbidden to be built by the Modern church.
Not necessarily. Not if the seminary is staffed with Novus Ordo professors who instruct the young, impressionable seminarians in the New Catechism of the Catholic Church, the "correct" understanding of religous liberty and ecuмenism, etc., and work to implement the Revised 1962 Missal that's on the table. There's got to be something in the deal for +Fellay to keep forging ahead despite all the obvious perils that even he admits to still being there.
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The proposed architectural style of the new seminary in Virginia reminds me of Disney. It will fit in with a modern view of tradition that is becoming very artificial. The concept of 'themed religion' is worth exploring for its financial potential!
Very good observation.
When I first heard of the new $23 million seminary, I said to my wife, with so many seminaries closing, and available for like $2m, why build a new $23 million seminary? I said, unless they are rushing this to get all the money they can before they join Rome? I said, one way or the other it's going to be taken from them. That was like 2 years ago.
If the SSPX really were at war, they would not be building $23 million seminaries. They have gone soft.
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Bishop Fellay says the SSPX is going to keep its freedom.
"Freedom" in this context means doing what Bishop Fellay wants. And anyone who doesn't want to do what he wants will be kicked to the curb.
So Bishop Fellay doesn't mind having diocesan permission to establish new parishes and priories?
I suppose as far as his freedom is concerned, that's OK.
After all, he learned in the discussions that what the SSPX previously condemned in the Council isn't actually in the Council.
So it doesn't affect his "freedom" at all.
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The proposed architectural style of the new seminary in Virginia reminds me of Disney. It will fit in with a modern view of tradition that is becoming very artificial. The concept of 'themed religion' is worth exploring for its financial potential!
I would like to hear more about this. Perhaps you could start a new topic specifically on this subject.
I did know that the SSPX wanted to build a new seminary. I did not know that it was going to be in Virginia, nor did I know that any architectural plans had been made or made public. Is an artist's concept drawing available somewhere on the internet? What is it about the "style" that reminds you of Disney? Please elaborate as I am very curious about this statement.
But please...don't derail this topic. Start a new one. I think it would be worth it.
Yes, a concept drawing has been made public. I believe I have it somewhere on my book shelf. If I can find it, I will start a new thread.
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If what was published a couple of weeks ago is true, the project will never get off the ground. The purchase was made less than three years ago, correct? It will be sold and the money given to the Novus Ordo.
Theoretically they could build the seminary to turn new seminarians modernist, but they will have the existing Society seminaries so I don't see the need to spend the money.
I could be wrong but I think they'd rather have the money. The Third Way can still be accomplished via existing means.
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If what was published a couple of weeks ago is true, the project will never get off the ground. The purchase was made less than three years ago, correct? It will be sold and the money given to the Novus Ordo.
Theoretically they could build the seminary to turn new seminarians modernist, but they will have the existing Society seminaries so I don't see the need to spend the money.
I could be wrong but I think they'd rather have the money. The Third Way can still be accomplished via existing means.
You may be right. But Pope Benedict does want a hybrid Mass. And the Novus Ordo Seminaries are incapable of producing even semi-traditional priests. The only way of getting rid of Tradition is to do it slowly. Of course, all the SSPX seminaries would be obligated to follow suit. And I highly doubt that Bishop Fellay will be ousted. They will need him for the transition. As for the SSPX chapels and schools, they'll probably close most of them down and send us to the local indult parishes in order to better spread our priests around and with less travel.
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If what was published a couple of weeks ago is true, the project will never get off the ground. The purchase was made less than three years ago, correct? It will be sold and the money given to the Novus Ordo.
Theoretically they could build the seminary to turn new seminarians modernist, but they will have the existing Society seminaries so I don't see the need to spend the money.
I could be wrong but I think they'd rather have the money. The Third Way can still be accomplished via existing means.
You may be right. But Pope Benedict does want a hybrid Mass. And the Novus Ordo Seminaries are incapable of producing even semi-traditional priests. The only way of getting rid of Tradition is to do it slowly. Of course, all the SSPX seminaries would be obligated to follow suit. And I highly doubt that Bishop Fellay will be ousted. They will need him for the transition. As for the SSPX chapels and schools, they'll probably close most of them down and send us to the local indult parishes in order to better spread our priests around and with less travel.
Those are good points, especially your assessment of the N.O. seminaries. I think we have three camps in the Church right now - the liberals attached to neverending novelties, the conservative N.O.s who want a respectful liturgy and the Trads. The conservative N.O.s and the defecting Trads will be the basis for the hybrid. The remaining Trads will be left out in the cold.
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If what was published a couple of weeks ago is true, the project will never get off the ground. The purchase was made less than three years ago, correct? It will be sold and the money given to the Novus Ordo.
Theoretically they could build the seminary to turn new seminarians modernist, but they will have the existing Society seminaries so I don't see the need to spend the money.
I could be wrong but I think they'd rather have the money. The Third Way can still be accomplished via existing means.
You may be right. But Pope Benedict does want a hybrid Mass. And the Novus Ordo Seminaries are incapable of producing even semi-traditional priests. The only way of getting rid of Tradition is to do it slowly. Of course, all the SSPX seminaries would be obligated to follow suit. And I highly doubt that Bishop Fellay will be ousted. They will need him for the transition. As for the SSPX chapels and schools, they'll probably close most of them down and send us to the local indult parishes in order to better spread our priests around and with less travel.
Those are good points, especially your assessment of the N.O. seminaries. I think we have three camps in the Church right now - the liberals attached to neverending novelties, the conservative N.O.s who want a respectful liturgy and the Trads. The conservative N.O.s and the defecting Trads will be the basis for the hybrid. The remaining Trads will be left out in the cold.
To wither, but not die... as we do have the promise, that like the Phoenix rising out of the ashes, in the end, the Church will return to its former glory. Deo Gratias.
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SSPX schools in the USA are teaching heliocentrism without any discussion of biblical geocentrism.
SSPX schools in the USA are producing plays by the notorious sodomite Oscar Wilde.
They understand what is science and what is not.
They are able to separate the art from the artist.
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from Bishop Fellay's latest interview with DICI:
Bishop Fellay: "It is still true—since it is Church law—that in order to open a new chapel or to found a work, it would be necessary to have the permission of the local ordinary. We have quite obviously reported to Rome how difficult our present situation was in the dioceses, and Rome is still working on it. Here or there, this difficulty will be real, but since when is life without difficulties? "
Nadieimportante's interpretation:
SSPX priest- we'd like to build a school in your diocese
Local Diocese man in charge (LD) - sounds good send us all the plans and information
SSPX- it's been three months since we talked, I sent you all the plans a month ago, any response?
LD - no, the bishop has been very busy.
SSPX - (pressures LD for a response and then) It's now 1 year and we've received only excuses, what's going on?
LD- the bishop wants to know why you need a school, the diocese already has schools?
SSPX - (something they can never say) our schools are different, we don't teach sex education, and we don't use the CCC, and we don't allow anyone but trad Catholics in our schools.
LD- forget about it, take that argument to Rome and see what you'll get
END - no school
This will be the inevitable outcome.
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If what was published a couple of weeks ago is true, the project will never get off the ground. The purchase was made less than three years ago, correct? It will be sold and the money given to the Novus Ordo.
Theoretically they could build the seminary to turn new seminarians modernist, but they will have the existing Society seminaries so I don't see the need to spend the money.
I could be wrong but I think they'd rather have the money. The Third Way can still be accomplished via existing means.
The project has already begun. I just posted images of the flyer I received last week. The footings are being laid as we speak. According to projections, it will take about 7 months just to excavate and lay the footings before the walls can be erected.
3 months ago, we were asked to pray for this new seminary and, if possible, send in donations.
Last month, we received word that, thanks to a generous benefactor, the construction could begin.
That was printed in another flyer, which I don't have.
Please see thread on the seminary for pictures....
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If what was published a couple of weeks ago is true, the project will never get off the ground. The purchase was made less than three years ago, correct? It will be sold and the money given to the Novus Ordo.
Theoretically they could build the seminary to turn new seminarians modernist, but they will have the existing Society seminaries so I don't see the need to spend the money.
I could be wrong but I think they'd rather have the money. The Third Way can still be accomplished via existing means.
The project has already begun. I just posted images of the flyer I received last week. The footings are being laid as we speak. According to projections, it will take about 7 months just to excavate and lay the footings before the walls can be erected.
3 months ago, we were asked to pray for this new seminary and, if possible, send in donations.
Last month, we received word that, thanks to a generous benefactor, the construction could begin.
That was printed in another flyer, which I don't have.
Please see thread on the seminary for pictures....
I wonder who the generous benefactor is. That could be key. :confused1:
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If what was published a couple of weeks ago is true, the project will never get off the ground. The purchase was made less than three years ago, correct? It will be sold and the money given to the Novus Ordo.
Theoretically they could build the seminary to turn new seminarians modernist, but they will have the existing Society seminaries so I don't see the need to spend the money.
I could be wrong but I think they'd rather have the money. The Third Way can still be accomplished via existing means.
The project has already begun. I just posted images of the flyer I received last week. The footings are being laid as we speak. According to projections, it will take about 7 months just to excavate and lay the footings before the walls can be erected.
3 months ago, we were asked to pray for this new seminary and, if possible, send in donations.
Last month, we received word that, thanks to a generous benefactor, the construction could begin.
That was printed in another flyer, which I don't have.
Please see thread on the seminary for pictures....
I wonder who the generous benefactor is. That could be key. :confused1:
I was wondering the same thing.
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I hope we aren't seeing a financial joint venture between the diocese and a newly regularized Society as an act of "generosity" and good will.
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If what was published a couple of weeks ago is true, the project will never get off the ground. The purchase was made less than three years ago, correct? It will be sold and the money given to the Novus Ordo.
Theoretically they could build the seminary to turn new seminarians modernist, but they will have the existing Society seminaries so I don't see the need to spend the money.
I could be wrong but I think they'd rather have the money. The Third Way can still be accomplished via existing means.
The project has already begun. I just posted images of the flyer I received last week. The footings are being laid as we speak. According to projections, it will take about 7 months just to excavate and lay the footings before the walls can be erected.
3 months ago, we were asked to pray for this new seminary and, if possible, send in donations.
Last month, we received word that, thanks to a generous benefactor, the construction could begin.
That was printed in another flyer, which I don't have.
Please see thread on the seminary for pictures....
I just looked. The courtyard is designed in the image of an Egyptian ankh.
I think you're right. The seminary may be intended as a flagship for the Third Way hybrid.