Author Topic: Chronicle of Change (Read 10121 times)

inprincipio · « **Reply #30 on:** January 11, 2013, 04:32:07 PM »

Another viewpoint in the chronicle of change

I was at midnight Mass at St. Michael's. It was so disturbing to my family that I doubt we will ever go to another high Mass while the SSPX is there.

Credo IV was sung and congregational singing was attempted. When I say "attempted" I mean that there was lag between the choir and whomever were singing...one here, one there and Father. By the time the Credo was ended, it was almost twice as slow as when it began. This is what makes congregational singing NOT edifying.

Congregational singing is difficult to execute because it takes sound time to travel. That is why after V2 (in most parishes), the organ was moved downstairs and a fanatic was waving her arms around trying to keep a choir, (now downstairs) and the congregation together. I think the proper place for congregational singing is in a seminary or monastery. Most lay people do not know the Gregorian masses and do not understand plain chant. I won't go into a lengthy explanation, but when a parish does the Gregorian masses, it is distracting, not music that lifts our minds and hearts to God.

Over the last few months since Father Bolduc's death, things are changing and being one who lived through the changes prior to Vatican II and during that "council", I can see the same things occurring at St. Michael's.

Many of us knew the courageous Henry and Alma Beemster. We know how much they sacrificed to leave the traditional Catholics of Green Bay a traditional Catholic Mass without compromise. Because of their stance, they had much to sacrifice and they were not afraid to speak up.

I can remember one class of Father's when someone asked whether he should go to a novus ordo retreat or participate in a service. Father wondered whether it had gotten through thick skulls; or if their heads were so empty that it just went through. In retrospect, these people apparently haven’t changed. They are like the people 50 years ago...so afraid to speak up. It is sad. Blind obedience is what got us in the predicament we are in now in the United States.

Now I am trying to find more people with backbone to say something before it is too late. To say that the SSPX is the same as it was when the Archbishop was alive is a bold-faced lie. To say that this is the time to make an agreement with Masonic Rome, is not only bad timing, but severely imprudent. To align ourselves at St. Michael’s with the SSPX at this time is just as imprudent. No one wants to be without a priest, but at what cost? Father preached “Extra ecclesia, nula salus” and had it enscribed over the door from the vestibule into the church. He believed it and preached it.

When Father Rostand showed up, he said that the SSPX wasn't interested in St. Michael's. They didn't want the property and they were spread too thin as far as priests were concerned. They were just there to provide the sacraments temporarily until we found an independent priest. If they made a "DEAL" then they would stay, but the property would still belong to St. Michael's. This, I have found out will NOT be the case. So, was Father Rostand lieing?

The “flock” are not being told anything and that is causing division. Some people are talking uncharitably about those of us who are trying to sound a warning. Others have left because they won't accept compromise. Some of us are taking a wait-and-see attitude, but the way things are going with so much secrecy, it fills us with dread.

If handing over St. Michael’s over to the neo-SSPX is such a good idea, then why can’t everyone at church hear the other side? When Father was so ill that he could barely walk, why didn't he invite the society to help then? Why did he have the ad in the Catholic Family News up until the time of his death? Why do our children have to be exposed to an SSPX catalog with embedded religious art on the front cover? Why are some of the staunchest helpers of Father Bolduc reduced to cowering “yes men”? We respected Father Bolduc and he did not practice "sacramental blackmail". I don't ever remember anyone cowering in his presence; the men TALKED to him no one cowered or groveled in front of him. It has been said of him that he was a giant of a priest. He was truly an "alter Christus".

While we realize that not every priest is another giant, this is not the way Father Bolduc ran the parish. If we ever questioned what he said, we were encouraged to come talk to him or look it up for ourselves. He treated us as responsible adults. We all have a vested interest in St. Michael's. As Father often reminded us, the highest good is the salvation of souls. If compromise is in the works, and this is Vatican 2b, I for one will not compromise.

May God have mercy on us!

Please pray for us at St. Michael's.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #31 on:** January 16, 2013, 03:42:36 PM »

Willful ignorance.

So, anything off the internet, according to a certain board member at our Church, is a lie. Even if Father Gruner were going to hand out copies of "Is this Operation ѕυιcιdє?" it's a lie, hmm?

So, the people at Saint Michael's aren't allowed to talk in front of the board?

To the Board: Father Bolduc put the fate of Saint Michael's Church in YOUR HANDS, and you are going to IGNORE more than half of the congregation because you're afraid you might be wrong about the SSPX? Because you believe everything Father Duverger says and it's unthinkable that he could be mistaken about some things? You're going to take ONE BOARD MEMBER'S totally biased word for what's going on? I wonder if after this post, that the board member you put so much stock in (who called me 3 times in one week before I went on that retreat), if he'll have the GUTS to call me again. Somehow, I doubt it. We'll see. If he does, he'll surely get an earful, I guarantee that.

Answer me this, Mr. P. If Father Bolduc wanted the SSPX at our Church, then WHY WERE THEY NOT THERE BEFORE HE DIED!? Because, he didn't. He didn't want the SSPX there, and you already know this.

Why did Father Bolduc call every single priest that was at the Resistance retreat over to Saint Michael's before he died (save one of them?) Hmm, these are tough questions that I doubt you can answer. Why did he tell one of the priests himself that he DID NOT WANT the SSPX at our church? (I have this from the priest's own mouth.)

Why are you allowing the board, and YOURSELF, to be WILLFULLY ignorant of the FACTS that are contained in "Is this Operation ѕυιcιdє?" Are you scared of something? That you might be discredited? At least Bishop Fellay admitted himself that he was deceived by Rome. Are you above being deceived yourself?

Are you afraid of the facts? This board is being run like a communist dictatorship, and Father Bolduc NEVER would have wanted this.

Those of us who love Saint Michael's are not going to sit by and let the board give over the Church over to the SSPX. No way, no how. Father didn't work for years to take care of us, so you could hand it to them.

We're storming heaven now. If the Church is given to them, then we deserve everything we're getting. It would be a just punishment from God if that were to happen.

I'd rather hear Mass in a shack, then. Father would be smiling at those of us who WILL NOT COMPROMISE.

Father didn't compromise. Why will you?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #32 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:44:30 PM »

Update: in the very early stages of getting one of the resistance priests up here to speak about what's happening in the SSPX. I was happy to speak with certain ones today at the picnic, and know by a few things that happened there that Father Bolduc was closely with us.

Heard a few good things, quelling my worry that the SSPX will NOT get their hands on our Church, the property, anyway. Please pray for all of us up here.

Domitilla · « **Reply #33 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:58:07 PM »

Parentsfortruth, you and the parishioners of St. Michael's are always in my prayers. Fr. Bolduc (RIP) built a beautiful bulwark for Traditional Catholics and you all deserve another great warrior-priest to walk in his beloved footsteps.

My husband and I passed through DePere last week and it was the first time in many years that we did not stop to assist at a Holy Mass celebrated in St. Michael's Chapel (which brought a few tears to my eyes).

Thank you for your updates. I hope that your next one reports that a new, worthy warrior-priest has become your pastor. May Our Lady of Good Success make haste to bring him to you.

inprincipio · « **Reply #34 on:** August 18, 2013, 08:20:14 PM »

I also observed that little by little, Father's memory is being tainted in the minds of some people at St. Michael's. No one ever said that Father Bolduc was perfect, but he was a very holy, dutiful, competent, heroic and self-sacrificing priest; the kind that was a true follower of the Archbishop. A real alter Christus.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #35 on:** August 20, 2013, 11:05:46 AM »

Just wanted to give a shout out to Fr. Duverger. HI I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS. :whistleblower: And you can go ahead and try to subvert what we're doing here. I'm not afraid of you, or anyone else that would try to stop people from hearing what is going to be said up here, and the people that the Good Lord meant to hear the other side of the story, AS IS THEIR RIGHT, will hear it, despite your best efforts of subversion.

You can try to bully people into not going, or whatever it is your plan will be, to try to stop people from listening, but the fact is, the whole operation is going to be exposed. How you all just came in and railroaded this Church up here, and took over, when Father Bolduc, who, according to you, "doesn't have the spirit of Archbishop Lefevbre" :stare: OBVIOUSLY did not want you people there, because he called Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Chazal, and Fr. Voigt to come up here even before you people descended like vultures on this church.

Make no mistake. No matter what you people do, you'll never get your hands on this property, and eventually when the slimes show their true colors, you'll be shown the door once Frannie the Fraud prances over to the dialogue table and signs Fellay's next ditty of a docuмent he sends over.

:dwarf:

hugeman · « **Reply #36 on:** August 20, 2013, 10:04:51 PM »

GOOD!

Frances · « **Reply #37 on:** August 20, 2013, 10:21:10 PM »

:whistleblower:WRONG ATTITUDE!
You don't threaten a priest, even if you are mad as hell, hate his guts, he's 100% wrong and you are 100% right.
Fr. Duverger, I do not believe we've met, but know that this post does not represent the attitude of at least one "member" of the Resistance.
:cry:

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #38 on:** August 22, 2013, 07:04:30 PM »

Quote from: Frances

:whistleblower:WRONG ATTITUDE!
You don't threaten a priest, even if you are mad as hell, hate his guts, he's 100% wrong and you are 100% right.
Fr. Duverger, I do not believe we've met, but know that this post does not represent the attitude of at least one "member" of the Resistance.
:cry:

'Scuse me Frances,

I've made no threats in my post.

:stare:

What on earth are you talking about?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #39 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:22:11 PM »

hugeman · « **Reply #40 on:** April 01, 2014, 07:59:49 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

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Recently, our chapel has seen some changes take place, and everytime I see something differently than when Father Bolduc was here, I'm going to record it, so maybe people can see the gradualism happening here.

The bells used to be rung, when the offertory prayers were said, now, they're not. The bells used to be rung during the "Domine Non Sum Dignus" 3 times, now, they're not.

At the high masses, now the congregation is singing the responses in Latin. We didn't do that when Father Bolduc was here. After the high mass today, the SSPX Father is going to give a brief class to the congregation on chant.

Whenever Father Bolduc would run across a missal that was 1962 or newer that was in the pews, he would toss them in the trash can. I don't sit inside Church very often because of my babies, but the last 3 days of going to mass, in EVERY SINGLE PEW I SAT IN, there was a 1963 missal.

Why is this happening? It's only happened since the SSPX has come here. Some of us are very disturbed about these changes, and don't want the changes at all.

I was told that one of the board members now says that they are only in charge of the property of the Church, and can't say anything about what changes are made at Mass. This is WRONG.

The SSPX has their literature all over the place. Father used to pay for Catholic Family News, which is blatantly absent in the back of the Church now. This is very disturbing as well.

"What's HER problem?" I don't have a problem. The priest that is here is making changes we don't want, and the people in charge don't seem to have the backbone to stick to their guns and say NO. This is looking more and more like the 1950s, where people just "shut up and obeyed."

Now, the SSPX is selling 1962 missals, and having people sign up to purchase one in the basement of the Church. Father Bolduc would have tossed those in the trash, and now, we having them sold right inside of Church.

Father would not have wanted this.

I've received some clarification on something here. Mistakenly the bells weren't rung right before communion was distributed. The rubrics didn't allow for us to ring bells before offertory, so those have been eliminated. It was simply a local custom up to that point (probably a queue for people to sit in the pews.) This was looked into by the altar boys, referenced in the Father Lasance Missal, so this is no issue.

The Catholic Family News was mistakenly unsubscribed. The person who called CFN about removing an advert Fr. Bolduc had put into the paper in search of another priest, CFN mistakenly stopped sending the newspaper to the Church entirely, so that's been corrected. I'm told that they'll be available once again in the back of Church. Wonderful news.

I am still disturbed that the 1962 missals are being sold at my Church, and hope that the Father Lasance Missals will be the chosen ones instead. We'll see what happens with that.

Hopefully, there will be some investigation into the missals in the pews now and the bad ones will be removed.[/quote

Long standing customs should NOT be changed ! The Archbishop promised us in 1976 that he was
Sending priests to preserve the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass-- not to get "everybody on the same page!" ( he was not pushing for a 'deal' then). He specifically said his priests were not to change long standing Catholic customs! He understood that he was French, and the French were , generally, much further advanced along the road to modernism than were US traditionalists.
CFN is supporting the accordistas all the way! That's where their bread is buttered, and that's where they park. SD to say, because they have such a good apostolate-- but they are going the way of the Remnant and Rostand" this is Brrnie Fellay 's church!"
Perhaps the Archbishop and Father Buldoc have been reunited and could welcome each other! They were both heroic fighters against almost unbelieveable powers. Only now, I M sure, can the Archbishop see that the snakes in his own organization brought about almost every single internal division and 'separatio' of good priests the last forty years. In exactly the same way fellay ,
Pflugger, rostand et al made up stories about Bishop Williamson, and insisted " he has to go", the accordistas have forced out many other faithful priests!
Remember, two of the key reasons " the nine" were kicked out in 1983 were their refusal to use the phony 1962 missal, and their refusal to accept phony pres-by-ters from India into the U S District to say Mass and hear confessions. Because Schmidberger, Aulangier, Lorans, Fellay and co. were already dreaming of a deal with Rome, they pressured ABL to kick out his best and brightest priests in ghe U S. Now all they have is largely administrator "yes men" types.