BTW- I'm fairly certain I remembered Fr. Hewko mentioning he had family who lived in Barstow/ Bakersfield; if they do, I can't imagine it being very close for most of us, but it may be a reason for him to come out this way. If you'd all like, I'm happy to drive :) I should be speaking with him soon, hopefully I can see if I can convince him to come out this way.
You know, you really need to make up your mind, s2s, because
you're all over the map on this. Tell you what: the minute you
finally get in touch with Fr. Hewko, you had better give him a firm
heads-up that his brothers, sisters, parents, aunts and uncles had
best abandon Msgr. Perez' Masses post haste, because YOU
said so. I'm sure Fr. Hewko would love to hear that from you.
Oh, then the NEXT thing you can do is invite him to come and
visit. Make sure he knows the OLHC Mass schedule so you can
be sure that he plans his Masses in order to be in direct conflict
with them, you know, like Mahony used to do. Or better yet,
offer to plan his itinerary for him, and save him the trouble!
You'd get a thrill out of telling a priest where he's booked for
Mass, no? I mean, you're the expert here. I'm sure Fr. Hewko
would love to hear that from you, too.
Or, have you already contacted him? I can just imagine:
Fr. Hewko: So you'd like me to come out to your area and offer
Mass?
s2s: That's right, Fr., because there isn't any valid Mass nearby!
Fr. Hewko: Didn't you say you're in the Los Angeles area? Don't
you know about OLHC and St. Patrick's Mission?
s2s: Uuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......................................
Dear NO:
I will write more later, but for now I will say this:
Yes I've been in contact with Fr. Hewko. The issue of OLHC has yet to come up.
Why would OLHC come up unless you mention it? Fr. Hewko isn't
obliged to introduce to you the topic of every TLM in your area.
Is he supposed to presume that you can't think for yourself?
Or, by "the ISSUE of OLHC" are you referring to your own
subjective scruples about what it is and what it is not? If so, it
would be RIDICULOUS for Fr. Hewko to bring that up, because
IT IS YOUR SUBJECTIVE REALITY and not his.
You said in your post that I was using ad hominems against OLHC- do you (1) care (ie: are you able to) to point out where I was using ad hominems
Absolutely. You are attacking the character of Monsignor Perez.
First, you use deprecatory quotation marks around his title.
Do you know anything about how he got that honorary title? Or,
is it more likely that the fact that he has it makes you rather
uncomfortable? BTW, Fr. Perez was entirely aware before he
received it that by going public with that he would be heaping
burning coals on the head of his accusers.
Do you know anything about Fr. Frederick Schell, who selected
Fr. (now Msgr.) Perez to take up the reigns of his ministry when
he died? Are you aware of how Fr. Schell died or why? Or, are
you ignorant of such details and have no interest in learning?
Fr. Gruner has something very charitable to say about his critics.
He told me to my face, when I asked him several perplexing
questions in a row, to which he listened intently, that it must be
a matter of them not knowing some key fact. For against a fact
there is no argument, according to St. Thomas. Therefore he
has endeavored to research and unravel the past 95 years of
diabolical disinformation against the Fatima Message and to
present as close as possible to a scholarly summary and detail
of that work, with the assistance of several gifted scholars.
Second, you have announced that "he is dangerous" in your
uninformed opinion, oh, but you forgot to mention you are
uninformed. That makes it an ad hominem.
Third, you are spreading rumor, calumny and innuendo about
a priest, which is known as backbiting, or slander. More
ad hominems.
Fortunately, there is Confession for you but you won't be going
to any priest friendly to Msgr. Perez for that. Maybe you ought
to go to one of Fr. Rostand's lackeys? They would have a nice
time coping with your scruples under the seal of Confession!
They might even give you a medal of honor. Because you are
playing right into the hands of the Menzingen-denizens, whether
you realize it or not!
and (2) care to respond to the facts I presented on the disinterested and [?] counsel Fr. Perez gives his priests and laity concerning conditional ordinations/ confirmations etc?
Your facts are a bit vague. At best, half truths are a whole lie.
So, when you start to hear something and you go "AAAAHHH"
and run away before you hear it out, how can you have the
whole story?
Laymen are not working with a lot of background, and it has
not helped the situation when sedevacantists come trotting in
with their half-baked theories and presumptions and
judgments that they attempt to spread around like icing on
a cake. Martin Luther did that with his false notion of
"justification" - he said it was like a pile of dung covered with
snow.
Plus, I'm not quite sure I know what you mean when you ask
about "disinterested and counsel." It would save a bit of grief
for others if you could proof read your posts before running off
half cocked, unless, of course, you prefer in general to run off
half cocked, in which case you can throw away any substantive
discussion.
It sounds like you know his family, is this correct? I wonder if they are aware of Fr. Perez's view on these issues, or not. If not, perhaps Fr. Hewko is not aware either.
Maybe it's time you realized there's a lot you don't know.
I can't imagine he thinks very highly of the New Consecration of bishops or New rite of Ordinations (Holy Orders) for priests, do you? If anything, Fr. Hewko ascribes to the True SSPX position of conditionally ordaining priests who enter the Society, and providing conditional confirmations in most cases- not the opposite. I will be sure to discuss these things with him.
For example, what do you know about the history of the
consecration of bishops? What do you know about what it
takes to have a valid consecration and what it takes to make
a particular consecration invalid? What do you know about the
history of the INVALIDITY of holy orders in general? Do you
even know the very first thing, or, are you much more satisfied
with rumor, innuendo, presumption, calumny, backbiting and
gossip? Maybe that's enough for you, because it's most
certainly enough for a lot of laymen that have no patience or
interest in researching "the issue." They're much more happy
to warn their relatives that they had better start being
suspect of every priest, every Mass, every baptism, every
Communion, every Confession, every marriage, every
Extreme Unction and every Exorcism. Hey, maybe all those
exorcisms were faked too? Maybe the devil is cooperating
with the whole thing and just PRETENDS to be giving up his
grip on souls so as to make the exorcist look credible!!
Ever think of that?
Validity in our times is an important issue- Archbishop Lefebvre believed it, and I know Fr. Hewko believes it. You seem very emotionally attached to this topic and, to be frank, illogical; but that is normal for you (in my opinion). However, this time, I am unable to tell why- do you attend OLHC?
You have a Blessed Easter. Please pray for me.
"You seem very emotionally attached to this topic and, to be
frank, illogical; but that is normal for you (in my opinion)." More
ad hominems. How do you know what is normal for me?
Is it one of your favorite pastimes to put other people under a
microscope so you can pass judgment on them?
I wasn't there in person, but a friend of mine was. He went to Mass
at OLHC recently and received Holy Communion, and he has not a
single doubt that it was valid. And I dare say, that if you had been
there yourself, YOU TOO would have had no doubt that it was valid.
So you are, like I said earlier, ALL OVER THE MAP on this. You just
don't know how confused you are, but you persist nonetheless in
your confusion, and you proudly spread it around to everyone you
know like its A VIRTUE or something, giving them second thoughts
and convictions of terror, like bvmknight here:
PostOur family attended Father Perez's chapel for almost a year. At that time, we were under the impression that the priests there were validly ordained. Since the question has arisen, we have all made general confessions to make sure we reconfessed sins from that period and we are considering having our daughter, who was baptized by Father Perez, receive the exorcisms that they do during the Baptismal Rite. We know the Baptism is valid, but the rest probably wasn't. What a mess this all is!!!
Now, everyone who read this post of bvmknight's will be at risk for infection
with your screed of
diabolical disorientation, which see:
Our family attended Father Perez's chapel for almost a year. At that time, we were under the impression that the priests there were validly ordained. Since the question has arisen, we have all made general confessions to make sure we reconfessed sins from that period and we are considering having our daughter, who was baptized by Father Perez, receive the exorcisms that they do during the Baptismal Rite. We know the Baptism is valid, but the rest probably wasn't. What a mess this all is!!!
Oh brother.... :faint:
(Thanks s2srea for the reply.)
We certainly are in trying times.....
What a cess pool of a mess Vatican II has caused....
So now the additional epithet of "cesspool" may become attached
to the sacrifice of the Mass in a particular location, or, worse, in
any one of the now HUNDREDS of locations that are being served
by priests whom Msgr. Perez has personally trained to offer it - oh,
sorry, I forgot. You didn't know about that, did you?
Like I said, maybe it's time you realized there's a lot you don't know.
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