Author Topic: Webster Confirms Conditional Consecration (Read 5623 times)

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #40 on:** August 07, 2020, 12:14:07 PM »

"On January 11, 1976, Archbisop Thuc consecrated bishops at Palmar de Troya in Spain. He did this in consideration of "heavenly voices" which were allegedly speaking to one of the men, Clemente Dominguez Gomez.

On February 8, 1977, Thuc conditionally consecrated a notorious Parisian ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ named Jean Laborie, who had already been consecrated twice outside the Roman Catholic Church by schismatic bishops Pierre Danyel and Mar Tugual of the schismatic Holy Celtic Church on October 2, 1966, and again by Louis Jean Stanislaus Canivet who called himself "Patriarch Aloysious Basilius III. The latter had episcopal ties to the Liberal Catholic Church which was begun in England by Arnold hαɾɾιs Mathew, an apostate priest who was excommunicated by St. Pius X on February 11, 1911 (see appendix D)

appendix D: On February 8, 1977, Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngo-dinh-Thuc consecrated sub conditione (that means he conditionally consecrated as a bishop) a Frenchman named Jean Laborie. Such a conditional consecration was to ensure that Laborie, who had already been consecrated a bishop on two separate occasions by schismatic bishops for their schismatic sects, was indeed a validly ordained bishop. to appreciate the enormity of this act, a grave crime against the unity of the Church (as Pope Pius X I says in the encyclical Ad Apostolorum principis) one must consider the background of Jean Laborie - a background which Fr.Cekada has made light of. [ this can be seen in the video debate-E.C. ]

On October 30, 1965, Jean Laborie was ordained outside the Catholic Church at Paris by a schismatic bishop, Poncelin d'Eschevannes, who called himself the Gallican Patriarch, and who was a direct descendant of the schismatic line of the notorious Rene Vilatte.

On October 2, 1966, Jean Laborie was consecrated a bishop at Paris by schismatic bishops,Jean Pierre Danyel and His Whiteness Mar Tug-dual, a so-called archbishop,both of the Celtic Church in France; Tug-dual was descended from five different schismatic lines of bishops through the schismatic de Willemont-Newmann.

On September 20, 1968,for the second time Jeal Laborie received episcopal consecration from schismatic bishop Louis Jean Stanislaus Canivet in the Chapel of Toulouse; through Canivet, who styled himself the Primate of the Old Catholic Church of Toulouse,Laborie was joined to a lieage descended from Arnold hαɾɾιs Mathew,the renegade Catholic priest who was declared "excommunicatus vitandus" by St. Pius X on February 11, 1911, and who went on to found seven different religious sects.

On February 8,1977, Jean Laborie was re-consecrated by Archbisop Ngo-dinh-Thuc at Toulouse, France. At the time of this consecration, Laborie was a notorious ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ making his living delivering beer. He styled himself the head of a schismatic sect then called the Little Latin Church of Toulouse (it had undergone several name changes over the years).

In his testimony on the subject of Thuc's consecration of Laborie, Dr. Hiller testified that Thuc acknowledged consecrating Laborie with the understanding that consecrating him a bishop would make him a Roman Catholic:
"I then asked Dr.Hiller: 'But if he [Laborie] was an Old Catholic,how could he [Archbisop Thuc] think to continue the Catholic Church through an Old Catholic?' Dr. Hiller replied:
He thought that when he would be ordained as priest or consecrated, he would be a Catholic, a Roman Catholic,not an Old Catholic. He knowed[sic] exactly that the Old Catholic Church isn't the Roman Catholic Church.
(Exerpted from The Sacred and the Profane by Bishop Clarence Kelly, Seminary Press,1997, page 60)"

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Ladislaus · « **Reply #41 on:** August 07, 2020, 01:08:39 PM »

Sean, none of this demonstrates that he did not have sufficient command of his faculties to know what he was doing. That is ALL that is required for validity.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #42 on:** August 07, 2020, 01:39:06 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 07, 2020, 01:08:39 PM

Sean, none of this demonstrates that he did not have sufficient command of his faculties to know what he was doing. That is ALL that is required for validity.

So you believe he was simply evil, rather than crazy?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #43 on:** August 07, 2020, 01:42:57 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 07, 2020, 01:39:06 PM

So you believe he was simply evil, rather than crazy?

No, I don't believe he was either. He was most certainly lacking in terms of prudence, and was too easily persuaded by strong personalities.

I suggest that people read his auto-biography and you get a completely different picture of him than the smear job orchestrated by Bishop Kelly.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #44 on:** August 07, 2020, 01:47:04 PM »

Mario Derksen wrote a great piece refuting all of Bishop Kelly's nonsense:
http://www.thucbishops.com/Open_Letter_to_%20Bp_Kelly_FULL.pdf

It's lengthy, but those who are sincerely interested in the question should read this. Then compare it to Bishop Kelly's book and make up your own mind.

Here is Bishop Thuc's autobiography (or large chunks of it):
http://www.einsicht-aktuell.de/index.php?svar=2&ausgabe_id=180&artikel_id=1920

You can't read this and conclude that he was an evil man or that he was incapable of validly confecting a Sacrament.

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