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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #80 on: July 15, 2019, 08:26:39 PM »
Your posts are filled with implications and subtle allegations.  Be a man and speak clearly, if you don’t want your words to be misunderstood.

I hope my posts make you think. The implications and other ideas though are yours and not mine.



Be a man and speak clearly, if you don’t want your words to be misunderstood.

Which parts of my comments are not clear?

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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2019, 09:03:32 AM »
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Which parts of my comments are not clear?
1.  Your first post on this thread was:  "The devil loves blasphemy." 
---This implies that someone committed this act, yet you provide no context and let the reader assume.
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2.  Your 2nd comment was:  "Átila G. didn't care about any condemnation. Therefore the condemnations fall on him."
---How do you know he doesn't care about the condemnation?  Because he didn't tell you personally?  Because he didn't tell a friend you have who knows Atila?  If you have facts to show your accusation is founded, then provide them.  Do you have a letter or something where he said this?  If not, you are judging Atila's interior disposition, which is not allowed and which is petty.
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3.  Your 3rd comment was:  "Átila Sinke Guimarães wants to make people believe in a ludicrous tale of an apparition of Our Lady in Quito elevating Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira to semi-god status."
---The problem with your statement is that you insert the overly-emotional phrase "semi-god status" into your accusation.  You are espousing belief in an apparition as akin to people worshipping a man.  Are you saying that the TFP is similar to Jose Escriva's "Opus Dei"?  There's lots of tales that make that group sound like a cult too.  I've personally encountered multiple sspx families who spoke of +ABL as if he were the greatest saint in the last 100 years.  They had pictures of him all over their house and it was very weird.  They also believe that +ABL is part of prophecy and there are even a few "seers" who say +ABL and/or +Fellay will "save the church".  Is this uncatholic behavior +ABL's fault?  No.
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In my opinion, this hero-worship is uncatholic, but it's also understandable.  It's normal human behavior to admire one's heroes and especially when such heroes lived during a hero-less world.  Do many people take things too far?  Of course.  Do many actions go to the extreme?  Absolutely.  Does this mean the hero encourages such "worship"?  Some do, some don't and to varying degrees.  (Popularity and power are strong psychological drugs, which is why many prostitute themselves in Hollywood.)
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The problem I have with your posts is you are accusing the TFP of being a cult who encourages such uncatholic actions and with no proof.  You take the actions of hero-worshipers and instead of blaming them, you blame the leaders.  Charging someone with anti-Catholic hero-worship is one thing; charging someone with promoting a cult and claiming they are a "semi-god" is quite another.  There's ample proof for the former, but not for the latter.


Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2019, 10:31:27 AM »
1.  Your first post on this thread was:  "The devil loves blasphemy."
---This implies that someone committed this act, yet you provide no context and let the reader assume.

That's not true. Please start over.

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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2019, 10:39:51 AM »
Great response (sarcasm alert).  Find 1 sentence you disagree with and write-off everything else I wrote.  Sounds just like your approach to TFP/TIA.

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2019, 10:41:21 AM »
2.  Your 2nd comment was:  "Átila G. didn't care about any condemnation. Therefore the condemnations fall on him."
---How do you know he doesn't care about the condemnation?  Because he didn't tell you personally?  Because he didn't tell a friend you have who knows Atila?  If you have facts to show your accusation is founded, then provide them.  Do you have a letter or something where he said this?  If not, you are judging Atila's interior disposition, which is not allowed and which is petty.
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Átila didn´t accept the condemnations by Dom Antônio de Castor Mayer or the CNBB, rather he defends the Plínio cult to this day. His defence from the last millenium even was recently translated into english. Look it up on TIA!

You seem to not be informed about the point of view of Átila on the whole story.