TIA has great catholic articles and the TFP does great catholic work (like organizing the 8,000+ rosary rallys).  Writing them off because their founder was a nut is akin to condemning the sspx masses as heretical because +Fellay is a modernist-in-hiding (and he is).  There’s no logic, just emotions.  Cena has this false “all or nothing”, “black and white”, “either-or” mindset that is pervasive in the Trad world and which contributes to the lack of unity in our circles and also makes many hesitate to convert to traditionalism.  Basically, she either can’t make ANY distinctions or she doesn’t want to.  The amount of emotion and vitriol she regularly expresses shows it’s the latter.  It’s sad but unsurprising.  Many Trads act like her.  

Bp. Fellay isn't the founder of the SSPX, so I don't see the correlation.

Yes, Cera is at times a little over-the-top. But I think that she is trying to do the right thing. I started to defend her because several forum members were ganging up on her in what I felt was a belligerent manner. It didn't seem right. Especially since she's hardly the only Catholic to take issue with TIA/TFP/Guimaraes/Plinio. I find that the other testimonies from those who are trying to show the problems with TIA/TFP/Guimaraes/Plinio seem credible. We might not be able to prove anything from either side of the issue, but that doesn't mean that the subject should be forbidden.

This really has all the sounds of a mental reservation.  How hard would it have been to say, "No, I am not this Jade person."?

Because I want to keep the nutty Guimaraes followers guessing. Gotta have a little fun sometimes.

I think the basic problem is reposting the same information without much in the way of a discussion The effect is similar to pamphleteering or spam rather than having an ongoing discussion. That being said, I feel strongly about what I perceive as a stark change to how TIA approaches their material now. As much as she may be biased in SSPX's favor, the people who are complaining tend to lean on TIA/TFP's side of things. It's important to keep the topic going and Cera has kept pretty civil about it so I don't see why she can't continue, so long as it's part of a conversation and not a simple reposting/semi-spam.

For being so "anti-clerical" they do seem rather insistent on submission to the purported hierarchy and disagree with the SSPX precisely on those grounds.  So that seems to directly contradict the charge of anti-clericalism.

TFP was condemned by their local Bishop as being an "anti-Catholic, anti-clerical heretical sect."
As for TIA, one only has to read their unfounded attacks on Blessed Cardinal Newman, Archbishop Lefebrve, Bishop Travez and numerous good, traditional Catholic priests to see that they are indeed anti-clerical.

TFP was condemned by their local Bishop as being an "anti-Catholic, anti-clerical heretical sect."
As for TIA, one only has to read their unfounded attacks on Blessed Cardinal Newman, Archbishop Lefebrve, Bishop Travez and numerous good, traditional Catholic priests to see that they are indeed anti-clerical.

TFP was condemned long ago; TIA has not been.  Yet you lump them both together.  Your lack of distinguishing is the problem.  The "black and white" thinking is that TFP is condemned, ergo TIA is also.  This is illogical.

TFP was condemned long ago; TIA has not been.  Yet you lump them both together.  Your lack of distinguishing is the problem.  The "black and white" thinking is that TFP is condemned, ergo TIA is also.  This is illogical.

It is not illogical. You are illogical. Átila G. didn't care about any condemnation. Therefore the condemnations fall on him.

TFP was condemned long ago; TIA has not been.  Yet you lump them both together.  Your lack of distinguishing is the problem.  The "black and white" thinking is that TFP is condemned, ergo TIA is also.  This is illogical.

It only appears to be illogical if you missed this post:

We are well aware of the story told by TIA of their claimed separation from TFP. We have read the docuмents presented by Atila to support this claim.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/Internet_Files/F142_Defense_Eng.pdf

Problem One:
Why did Atila fight so hard to remain attached to TFP?
Plinio Correa de Oliveira’s group, TFP, was condemned by the Catholic Church in Brazil and Venezuala.
       "In its 23rd General Assembly, April 10 to 19, 1985, the Bishops approved in plenary session a notice regarding the TFP. It therefore has all the official character of an Assembly of the Bishops of Brazil in Conference, and not simply a press release. The notice reads as follows: "Its esoteric character, religious fanaticism, the cult given to the personality of its founder and head, the abusive use of the name of Most Holy Mary, according to circulated information, cannot in any way merit the approval of the Church. "We lament the difficulties flowing from a civil society which presents itself as a Catholic religious entity, without a tie to the legitimate pastors.
        "This being the case, the Bishops of Brazil exhort Catholics not to enroll in the TFP, and not to collaborate with it.
        "The above stated was signed by +Dom Raymundo Damasceno Asas, Secretary-General of the Conference on National Bishops of Brazil on April 23, 1997."
        Immaculate Heart Messenger, ed. Father Robert J. Fox. January - March 1998 edition p. 29.
  
       In 1984 the local T.F.P. branch was outlawed in Venezuela, accused by a special parliamentary commission of being a "cult ... which warps the minds of young people, turns its members into fanatics and brainwashes them".
        Osservatore Romano, July 7, 1985, p. 12, n. 408, weekly Spanish edition quoted in Tradizione Famiglia Proprietà: Associazione cattolica o sètta millenarista?, Rimini 1996, frontispiece
        http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/TFP-AmericaNeedsFatima.htm

   Plinio Correa de Oliveira’s group, TFP, was condemned by the civil authorities in Brazil. This was reported by investigator Thomas Case in Fidelity, the monthly organ of the highly conservative Ultra-Montanists in its May 1989 issue.
https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/
          
        TFP had been repeatedly accused by the Brazilian authorities of “inducement to flight, reckless transfer, and concealment of minors”–and this despite TFP’s own slavish devotion to the military regime.
        Young men were alleged to have been deceitfully recruited by TFP, to be trained in their academies as “warrior monks” for the cause.
        According to the Brazilian government, TFP sought to obtain legal guardianship over the minor children of parents dedicated to TFP and then turned their sons against both them and the mainstream church, regarded by TFP loyalists as an institutional fraud.


Problem Two:
Why did TIA wait over 20 years to post the purported letter from TFP?  It was supposedly written in 1997, but not made available to the public until after 2017.

TIA’s story is:
“In January 2017, TIA hosted an Event (sic) celebrating the publishing in English of the 11-volume Collection Eli. Eli Lamma Sabacthani? by Atila Sinke Guimarães. . .”

At that event, those present raised questions regarding “the expulsion of Atila from the TFP” and “insisted that a translation of it to English should be available to the public.” 

In response to those questions, Marian Horvat began to translate the supposed docuмent from Portuguese to English.

Problem Three:
For a letter purportedly from a hostile president of the TFP organization from which Atila is, supposedly being cut off, it is surprisingly full of praise for Atila:

This is from:
“The Letter of the President of the TFP to Atila Sinke Guimarães, November 20, 1997
. . .  Very dear Mr. Atila, because of your elevation of sights, your gifts of intelligence, your energy and, above all, the many graces that Our Lady has poured over you, you have a great role to carry out in the  Counter-Revolution  and  in  the  TFP. . . I take leave with inalterable esteem.”

Thats. Just. Odd.