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Offline Meg

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2019, 11:38:38 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 13, 2019, 11:16:12 AM
TIA has great catholic articles and the TFP does great catholic work (like organizing the 8,000+ rosary rallys).  Writing them off because their founder was a nut is akin to condemning the sspx masses as heretical because +Fellay is a modernist-in-hiding (and he is).  There’s no logic, just emotions.  Cena has this false “all or nothing”, “black and white”, “either-or” mindset that is pervasive in the Trad world and which contributes to the lack of unity in our circles and also makes many hesitate to convert to traditionalism.  Basically, she either can’t make ANY distinctions or she doesn’t want to.  The amount of emotion and vitriol she regularly expresses shows it’s the latter.  It’s sad but unsurprising.  Many Trads act like her.  

Bp. Fellay isn't the founder of the SSPX, so I don't see the correlation.

Yes, Cera is at times a little over-the-top. But I think that she is trying to do the right thing. I started to defend her because several forum members were ganging up on her in what I felt was a belligerent manner. It didn't seem right. Especially since she's hardly the only Catholic to take issue with TIA/TFP/Guimaraes/Plinio. I find that the other testimonies from those who are trying to show the problems with TIA/TFP/Guimaraes/Plinio seem credible. We might not be able to prove anything from either side of the issue, but that doesn't mean that the subject should be forbidden.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2019, 11:39:49 AM »
Quote from: Meg on July 13, 2019, 11:20:39 AM
I'm not going to answer your question. I find it amusing that you think that my real name is Jade Liboro, and that I live in a convent in Ecuador.

It's very telling that the followers of Guimaraes think that anyone who questions them is an "agent" of the SSPX, or communism or whatever. It's a strange mentality that perceives an "agent" behind every screen name that opposes them. If you want to think that I'm Jade Liboro, that's fine. It's not like you would believe anything I say anyway. That's why I don't often respond to your posts.

This really has all the sounds of a mental reservation.  How hard would it have been to say, "No, I am not this Jade person."?
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Offline Meg

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2019, 11:40:48 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 13, 2019, 11:39:49 AM
This really has all the sounds of a mental reservation.  How hard would it have been to say, "No, I am not this Jade person."?

Because I want to keep the nutty Guimaraes followers guessing. Gotta have a little fun sometimes.
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Offline Your Friend Colin

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2019, 01:15:46 PM »
Quote from: Meg on July 13, 2019, 11:38:38 AM
Bp. Fellay isn't the founder of the SSPX, so I don't see the correlation.

Yes, Cera is at times a little over-the-top. But I think that she is trying to do the right thing. I started to defend her because several forum members were ganging up on her in what I felt was a belligerent manner. It didn't seem right. Especially since she's hardly the only Catholic to take issue with TIA/TFP/Guimaraes/Plinio. I find that the other testimonies from those who are trying to show the problems with TIA/TFP/Guimaraes/Plinio seem credible. We might not be able to prove anything from either side of the issue, but that doesn't mean that the subject should be forbidden.
This is exactly my issue - the “over-the-topness”.
We aren’t ganging up on her. A few members are simply stating that Cera’s fixation on discrediting the TFP/TIA seems obsessive.
We’re also not saying this issue should be forbidden. But when a new thread is created every week to state the same things over and over again, it gets annoying.
We’ve asked Cera to share with us why she is so fixated on the “evils” of Plinio and Guimaraes. If she had a bad experience with them she should make that know so we would have a better understanding of where she is coming from. But we’ve repeatedly asked her about this to no avail.
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Offline Croixalist

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2019, 02:06:17 PM »
I think the basic problem is reposting the same information without much in the way of a discussion The effect is similar to pamphleteering or spam rather than having an ongoing discussion. That being said, I feel strongly about what I perceive as a stark change to how TIA approaches their material now. As much as she may be biased in SSPX's favor, the people who are complaining tend to lean on TIA/TFP's side of things. It's important to keep the topic going and Cera has kept pretty civil about it so I don't see why she can't continue, so long as it's part of a conversation and not a simple reposting/semi-spam.
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