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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2019, 06:58:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on June 25, 2019, 05:51:15 PM
    Atila is slave # 11, not a slave to Mary, but a slave to Plinio.

    The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.
    Thanks for the warning, but I would not become a slave to any man, so it is good to know, but not of any other use to me.

    That is the problem with people who follow personalities, and most people follow personalities, defending them as if they were personally being attacked. This is what the SSPXers do with the SSPX and Abp. Lefebvre, Bp. Williamson, Bp. Fellay……..

    I follow only truth. 

    (by the way,  Bp. Willamson many times has said everything I wrote above)
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #16 on: June 26, 2019, 04:42:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: tdrev123 on June 25, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
    So the Bishop said TFP mistrusts the clergy....

    Matthew aren't you a resistance supporter?  The whole point of resistance is mistrusting the clergy!  

    All that letter is was a conciliar bishop who didn't like the fact the TFP thinks there are smarter then the Conciliar church...Um Hello that is what traditional Catholicism is you ignoramus's.
    It's bad enough that you cannot give a rational answer.
    It's bad enough that you so often resort to name-calling.
    But then you top it off by a grammatical error in you name-calling.
    The plural of ignoramus is ignoramuses. Your use of an apostrophe makes the word possessive.


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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #17 on: June 26, 2019, 04:46:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 26, 2019, 06:58:44 AM
    Thanks for the warning, but I would not become a slave to any man,

    I am truly happy to hear that you would not become a slave to another human being in an anti-Catholic mockery of a Catholic consecration to Mary.
    However, does it not make you stop and think about the anti-Catholic, heretical act that Atila, head of Tradition in Action, engaging in when he made himself a slave to his master Plinio?
    Why would you trust any words that come from the pen of this anti-Catholic heretic?
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #18 on: June 26, 2019, 05:36:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on June 26, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
    However, does it not make you stop and think about the anti-Catholic, heretical act that Atila, head of Tradition in Action, engaging in when he made himself a slave to his master Plinio?
    Why would you trust any words that come from the pen of this anti-Catholic heretic?
    I trust him because he has developed my trust over like 10 years+ that I have been reading what he writes, and not one word was "anti-Catholic heretical".

    You on the other hand have developed yourself into someone not worth listening to. You have a strange hatred of Atila Guimaraes which is not at all related with what he has written. I smell a communist. 
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #19 on: July 01, 2019, 06:41:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croixalist on June 25, 2019, 07:23:40 PM
    The "Trad-Granny" thing is a bit much Incred. Stick to the argument, there's plenty to be had.

    More than Mr. Armour's or Mr. Ablas' detailed testimony, we have Atila attempting to excuse the TFP practice of referring to themselves as "slaves" to Plinio. I don't care if it's in addition to being slaves to Our Lady, St. Montfort did not proscribe any such spiritual obedience to a layman, nor can I imagine a scenario where such a practice would be appropriate. This to me was a major indication that the aforementioned testimonies had at least a kernel of truth to them. It would be helpful if more people came forward about this. We only have insider info from two sources in two different parts of the world and those sources were unknown to begin with and completely disappeared from the traditional scene after they spoke up.

    Whether Atila and TIA know it or not, they are the ones providing the strongest evidence for the disordered foundation of the TFP. By turning their axe to the roots of the SSPX, they reveal the tree rot of their own group and their sole claim to orthodoxy from the onset of the VII era.
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #20 on: July 02, 2019, 05:25:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 26, 2019, 06:58:44 AM
    Thanks for the warning, but I would not become a slave to any man, so it is good to know, but not of any other use to me.

    That is the problem with people who follow personalities, and most people follow personalities, defending them as if they were personally being attacked. This is what the SSPXers do with the SSPX and Abp. Lefebvre, Bp. Williamson, Bp. Fellay……..

    I follow only truth.

    (by the way,  Bp. Willamson many times has said everything I wrote above)

    Those who follow and support Guimaraes/TIA/TFP tend to act as though they are being personally attacked when Guimaraes/TIA/TFP is criticized. The problems with TFP, and by extension TIA, shouldn't be swept under the rug just because there are those who deny that there is a problem. It would be like denying that there is a problem with the Neo-SSPX.
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #21 on: July 02, 2019, 07:54:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 26, 2019, 06:50:33 AM
    This says nothing, it is just one priest's warning, why should anyone listen to an anonymous priest who says just that "they are dangerous"? How exactly are they dangerous? No organization today is without a dangerous feature and one has to be aware of it, but to dismiss the TIA website with all of its pure Catholic teachings because a priest says Plinio was dangerous, is pure foolishness.

    THIS^^^
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #22 on: July 02, 2019, 11:06:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on June 26, 2019, 04:42:40 PM
    It's bad enough that you cannot give a rational answer.
    It's bad enough that you so often resort to name-calling.
    But then you top it off by a grammatical error in you name-calling.
    The plural of ignoramus is ignoramuses. Your use of an apostrophe makes the word possessive.

    Trad granny,

    Please consider the following:

    So well respected is your forum troll reputation, that no one bothers to take the time to make their responses to you grammatically correct.

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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #23 on: July 07, 2019, 03:49:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on July 02, 2019, 05:25:39 AM
    Those who follow and support Guimaraes/TIA/TFP tend to act as though they are being personally attacked when Guimaraes/TIA/TFP is criticized. The problems with TFP, and by extension TIA, shouldn't be swept under the rug just because there are those who deny that there is a problem. It would be like denying that there is a problem with the Neo-SSPX.
    :applause: :applause: :applause:
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #24 on: July 11, 2019, 06:21:21 PM »
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #25 on: July 11, 2019, 06:24:09 PM »
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    • No. Please stop, Cera. We’ve all had enough of this. 

    Why are you so fixated on discrediting TFP/TIA?
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #26 on: July 11, 2019, 06:42:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Your Friend Colin on July 11, 2019, 06:24:09 PM
    No. Please stop, Cera. We’ve all had enough of this.

    Why are you so fixated on discrediting TFP/TIA?

    She refuses to fess up about why she has a personal grudge against them.  Maybe she dated a TFP guy and got dumped.  Who knows?
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #27 on: July 11, 2019, 08:28:57 PM »
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    • I don't think TFP and TIA are heretical;  compared to many bishops today, they are super orthodox.
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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #28 on: July 11, 2019, 09:39:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on June 24, 2019, 08:03:59 AM
    Warning from a Traditional Catholic priest familiar with the group:

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    In case you don’t know TIA is a branch of Tradition Family and Property founded by Plinio Correa de Oliveira in Brazil.

    Bp de Castro Mayer, after supporting them, in 1983 publicly dissociated from this organization and condemned them, as they became a real sect evolving into a cult of their founder and esoteric practices.

    I knew them very well in South America. They're dangerous!


    Dr. Orlando Fedeli, a secondary school teacher and professor at the Pontifical University of Sâo Paulo, had been a TFPista and follower of Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira for decades before leaving and turning himself into a fierce critic of Plínio and his TFP. Inter alia, he wrote a book titled No País das Maravilhas: a Gnose Burlesca da TFP e dos Arautos do Evangelho (In Wonderland: The Burlesque Gnosis of the TFP and the Herolds of the Gospel). The Arautos of João Scognamiglio Clá Dias are one of two main TFP successor organisations in Brazil. Fedeli denounced an inner TFP circle, a blasphemous cult in which our Lord and our Lady were replaced by Plínio and his mother Lucilia.

    Fedeli founded his own organisation, the Associação Cultural Montfort, which split into two a few years after his death in 2010. Docile followers turning into headstrong competitors.

    Different from Orlando Fedeli, the italian Roberto de Mattei penned an awe-inspiring hagiography of Plínio Corrêa.

    Some years ago, an audio of a conference of João Scognamiglio Clá Dias could be found on gloria.tv, youtube etc. in which Clá Dias taught his followers a mockery and blasphemy. He praised a disfigured version of the words of St. Paul

     "It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me" (Gal 2:20)

    where the word Christ was replaced by the name Plínio, as the state of mind to strive for. The audio showed that the allegations of Fedeli had not been an invention.

    The audio as well as the whole affair was nauseating.

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    Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
    « Reply #29 on: July 11, 2019, 10:19:53 PM »
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    • The devil loves the "Divide and Conquer" tactic.

    He loves seeing Catholics fighting against each other and seeing Catholics leaving traditionalist Catholic organisations.
    Some people are leaving those organisations due to imperfections there as if they could only serve "perfect" organisations, "imperfect" ones are not worthy of their services. In other words, they will only serve saints.

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