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Offline Matthew

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Warning from a Traditional Catholic priest familiar with the group:


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In case you don’t know TIA is a branch of Tradition Family and Property founded by Plinio Correa de Oliveira in Brazil.

Bp de Castro Mayer, after supporting them, in 1983 publicly dissociated from this organization and condemned them, as they became a real sect evolving into a cult of their founder and esoteric practices.

I knew them very well in South America. They're dangerous!

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2019, 08:22:56 AM »


This is great information!

Who was the priest?

Why are they dangerous?

Did you know TIA and TFP have been separated for almost 20 years?  Their dispute is on allegiance to the Consiliar church.

And I suppose in all the debate, Bp. Castro Meyer is absolved from his signatures on the VII docuмents too?


Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2019, 10:12:12 AM »
The SSPX is against Tradition in Action TIA and Atila Guimaraes and company because they publish articles EVERYDAY and publish books about what is really going on, the SSPX does no such thing. TIA publishes daily articles like this one today:

Francis honors Jeffrey Sachs at ecological meeting
Jeffrey Sachs, above, second from the left, is one of the main promoters of the UN's abortionist policies around the world. He holds UN titles such as director of the Sustainable Development Solutions Network (SDSN). He also serves as special advisor to the UN Secretary on the Millennium Development Goals.

He uses these positions to argue that, to prevent poverty and advance economic development, abortion and mass sterilization must be enforced by the UN in many countries through financial pressure and government policies.

 Further, Sachs is an economist who is a close collaborator with magnate George Soros. It is not rare that Sach's environmental initiatives bring substantial gains to Soros investments.

After Francis' inauguration, Sachs has received preferential treatment at the Vatican. He is habitually quoted as being one of the minds behind the Vatican ecological program, including the draft of Francis' Encyclical


For full article see https://traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A838-Sach.htm

Offline Meg

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2019, 01:00:04 PM »
Did you know TIA and TFP have been separated for almost 20 years?  Their dispute is on allegiance to the Consiliar church.


I don't think that the separation is relevant. After all, both groups seem to have the same views about Plinio de Oliviera, don't they?

Offline Matthew

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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2019, 12:08:52 AM »
Here is a translation into English of the letter sent by Bp de Castro Mayer to a friend layman explaining in 1984 the grave reasons why he dissociated from the TFP the year before.

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LETTER OF BISHOP DE CASTRO MAYER ON THE TFP

(The following letter, addressed to a layman friend, dated 1984, was published in the Brazilian newspaper Folha da Manhã in 1991)

Dear N.,

I owe you an answer to your painful letter of September 24 [1984] that, as the postmark indicates, you sent me on September 25th.

In this case I can only give you one advice: pray, pray a lot, above all the [15 decade] Rosary or at least the [5 decade] Rosary, asking the Virgin Mother, Mediatrix of all graces, to enlighten her son and make him see that the TFP is a heretical sect because, in fact, although they do not say or write, the TFP lives and behaves according to a principle that fundamentally undermines the truth of Christendom, that is, of the Catholic Church.

Indeed, it is de fide that Jesus Christ founded His Church - designed to keep the true worship of God on earth and to bring souls to eternal salvation - as an unequal society composed of two classes: one that governs, teaches, and sanctifies, composed of members of the clergy, and another - the faithful - who receive the teaching, are governed and sanctified: This is a dogma de fide.

St. Pius X wrote that the Church is, in its own nature, an unequal society, meaning that it comprises two orders of persons: shepherds and flock, those belonging to the various levels of the hierarchy, and the multitude of the faithful. These two orders are so utterly distinct that only the hierarchy has the right and authority to guide and govern the members for the purposes of the Church, while the duty of the faithful is to let themselves to be governed and to obediently follow the given path by the ruling class. (Encyclical "Vehementer", February 11, 1906.) The whole history of the Church, as can be seen in the New Testament, attests to this truth as a fundamental dogma of the Church's constitution. It was only to the Apostles that Jesus said, "Go and teach all nations." Also the Acts of the Apostles show us the life of the Church in the times after Jesus Christ. Because of this, it is a heretical subversion to usually follow a layman - therefore a non-member of the Hierarchy - as a spokesman for orthodoxy. So they do not look at what the Church says, what the bishops say, but what this or that [layman] says... And it does not end there: this attitude - even if not openly stated - in fact positions the "leader" as the arbiter of orthodoxy, and is accompanied by a sudden but real mistrust of the hierarchy and clergy in general.

There is a visceral anti-clericalism in the TFP: everything that comes from the clergy is biasedly received. Basically, it is affirmed that all priests are ignorant, lacking zeal or interested and such other characteristics. Well, thus, having in mind the divine constitution of the Church which was instituted by Jesus Christ, the habitual anti-clericalism of the TFP, latent, makes it a heretical sect, and therefore, as I said, animated by a principle contrary to established dogma by Jesus Christ in the constitution of His Church.

The TFP, however, had a healthy beginning. There was a certain evolution in the apostolate made by the biweekly newspaper of the Marian Congregation of St. Cecilia entitled The Legionary.

As a serious and well-intentioned movement, it sought to strengthen the intellectual and religious formation of the members of the Congregation and, consequently, of the biweekly readers. It was influential throughout Brazil. This was the era of [its] obedience to Monsignors Duarte and Leme. I followed and approved of its apostolate, also when it began to fall itself into the anti-clerical spirit, which began by consolidating its positions and then reversing them, putting the Clergy in tow behind a charismatic layman with the monopoly of orthodoxy. Maybe I gave them support beyond a licit point. I withdrew it only when it became clear that my warnings were not being taken into account. They have become useless.

It is true to note that the deceptions of certain members of the Hierarchy... explain the scandal of the "TFPists", but this does not justify the positions they have taken. And much less for its leader, Plinio.

In this case, as I said at the beginning of this letter, the remedy is to pray. First, because without prayer nothing is obtained: "Ask," says Our Lord, "and you will receive." It is necessary to pray because charismatic fervor produces a certain fanaticism: individuals become incapable of seeing the objective reality, of perceiving even fundamental errors, because of this inversion of following a layman instead of the legitimate Pastors of the Holy Church. 
As I have noted, members of the hierarchy unfortunately and often utter words and take positions that any Catholic can see as dissonant of the doctrine and government of the Church of all times...

I ask Our Lord to give you, and your whole family, a Holy and Merry Christmas and many years full of the grace of God.

I pray that you pray for me, a servant in Christ Jesus.

Antônio de Castro Mayer, Bishop Emeritus of Campos.