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Offline Croixalist

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2019, 03:48:34 PM »
Quote from: Cera on July 16, 2019, 03:04:26 PM
You raise good points and mention one possibility regarding Atila's purported source of information --

"I can't imagine anyone offering the sort of information he claims to have received unless his contact was an actual nun (or nuns) within the convent itself."

Other possibilities are:

Atila or his proxy bugged the convent.

Atila made an elaborate "mental reservation" and manufactured his source in the service of what he personally believes to be a greater good.

We can only really work with his statements as they are. I don't think we have to needlessly antagonize Atila or TIA by coming up with scenarios that paint them as Bond villains. In fact, I think it only serves to weaken our own arguments. If there is the slightest chance that Atila truly believes who he is quoting is truthful, I would rather ask him to hold these testimonies to a higher standard than he has been. Now that there seems to be some glaring inconsistencies, I'd honestly like to see an attempt to address them. Otherwise we are simply inviting him to write us all off as provocateurs and not take the criticism seriously.  

There is always the chance he is making it up as he goes, but I'd prefer to eliminate all the other possibilities first.
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Offline Cera

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2019, 03:56:09 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on June 25, 2019, 06:14:44 PM

Trad -granny... tell me the truth now.


Is your PhD in the Microsoft cut & paste tool?



How many times are you going to cut & paste that same old trash?


Can't you do something else?  

My goodness ! :farmer:
Somebody asked a question about the so-called "sacred slavery" of Atila to his slave master Plinio. I answered his question with the original source material. Your problem is with the facts, not with me.
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Offline Cera

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #97 on: July 16, 2019, 03:58:33 PM »
Quote from: tdrev123 on June 25, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
So the Bishop said TFP mistrusts the clergy....

The good Bishop Mayer did not say "TFP mistrusts the clergy."
What he said is that they are an "anti-Catholic, anti-clerical, heretical sect. . . to which no Catholic should belong."
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Offline Struthio

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #98 on: July 16, 2019, 04:19:12 PM »
Quote from: Cera on July 16, 2019, 03:12:05 PM
I am unable to find any information on Arautos do Evangelho which is in English. Can you point me in that direction?

Sorry, I don't know of information on that sect in English.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #99 on: July 16, 2019, 05:22:09 PM »
You guys make it sound like Plino and Atila are the 2nd coming of Charles Manson and Jim Jones.  

A.  Do you really think they are that dangerous?  

B.  Or are they just extreme Trads who, in the vacuum of V2, with the lack of catholic leadership from orthodox clerics (who were/are too busy with chapels, schools and traveling to help with lay Catholic Action), started an organization to do good, but which has veered off course (in some but not all areas)?

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