Well, you didn't say anything I would have to answer.

Then don't quote my post next time.

Look Pax Vobis: Átila is inventing apparitions of Our Lady to further his Plínio-cult.

Aren't you able to read and grasp the situation?

Does that mean that the entire TIA organization is corrupt?  No.  +Fellay lied and manipulated the entire sspx when he used the millions of rosaries said for the consecration of Russia to further his agenda with new-rome by saying Our Lady had obtained the excommunication removals.  This is just as blasphemous.  Do +Fellay's actions mean that every sspx priest is corrupt?  No.

My whole point is that you cannot write-off an entire organization just because leadership is bad.  Should you be cautious?  Yes.  Should you spread awareness of the bad acts?  Yes.  Should you challenge the bad leadership?  Yes.  But life is all about taking the good and ignoring the bad.  Christ told us the wheat and the chaff will always be growing together.  It's unavoidable.

The essential problem with Plinio as I see it is that he wasn't very transparent with his organization. TFP wasn't a religious order, but it also demanded much more from its members than a lay organization ever would or had a right to. While he was alive, he was mostly well known for going after Communism, but he stopped short of VII. Going by Atila's account, he would have publicly endorsed the Murky Waters book had he lived to see its publication but as it stood, it was almost 30 years after SSPX had already been duking it out in the public square. Many people voiced concerns privately during and after the council, but almost no one had the courage to stand up to it. Plinio, Atila, and the TFP were no exception to that rule for the first 30 years but Abp. Lefebvre and the SSPX were.

That is not to say that newcomers aren't welcome but when TIA wants to suddenly build up Plinio as some great leader of traditionalism ahead of the Archbishop, that's when they have to learn their place.

Archbishop Lefebvre was tasked with having to navigate through the corrupted hierarchy of the Church, a path he had to chart without much assistance. Sometimes he had to figure it out as he went along. The recent Neo-Conning of the SSPX was certainly not his doing, nor is it the fault of the good religious and laity who would form the Resistance in reaction to it, many times as the result of undue expulsion from it. I sympathize with all the good people involved on each side, but the real answer must come from the very top. All of this is basic survival at the provisional level. We can barely maintain much less improve the situation.

I didn't say anything with respect to the questions you ask. You make up questions and make it appear, as if I had answered them positively, and then you answer them negatively. But I had neither asked them nor answered them at all.

Your posts are filled with implications and subtle allegations.  Be a man and speak clearly, if you don’t want your words to be misunderstood.  

Which parts of my comments are not clear?

1.  Your first post on this thread was:  "The devil loves blasphemy." 
---This implies that someone committed this act, yet you provide no context and let the reader assume.
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2.  Your 2nd comment was:  "Átila G. didn't care about any condemnation. Therefore the condemnations fall on him."
---How do you know he doesn't care about the condemnation?  Because he didn't tell you personally?  Because he didn't tell a friend you have who knows Atila?  If you have facts to show your accusation is founded, then provide them.  Do you have a letter or something where he said this?  If not, you are judging Atila's interior disposition, which is not allowed and which is petty.
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3.  Your 3rd comment was:  "Átila Sinke Guimarães wants to make people believe in a ludicrous tale of an apparition of Our Lady in Quito elevating Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira to semi-god status."
---The problem with your statement is that you insert the overly-emotional phrase "semi-god status" into your accusation.  You are espousing belief in an apparition as akin to people worshipping a man.  Are you saying that the TFP is similar to Jose Escriva's "Opus Dei"?  There's lots of tales that make that group sound like a cult too.  I've personally encountered multiple sspx families who spoke of +ABL as if he were the greatest saint in the last 100 years.  They had pictures of him all over their house and it was very weird.  They also believe that +ABL is part of prophecy and there are even a few "seers" who say +ABL and/or +Fellay will "save the church".  Is this uncatholic behavior +ABL's fault?  No.
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In my opinion, this hero-worship is uncatholic, but it's also understandable.  It's normal human behavior to admire one's heroes and especially when such heroes lived during a hero-less world.  Do many people take things too far?  Of course.  Do many actions go to the extreme?  Absolutely.  Does this mean the hero encourages such "worship"?  Some do, some don't and to varying degrees.  (Popularity and power are strong psychological drugs, which is why many prostitute themselves in Hollywood.)
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The problem I have with your posts is you are accusing the TFP of being a cult who encourages such uncatholic actions and with no proof.  You take the actions of hero-worshipers and instead of blaming them, you blame the leaders.  Charging someone with anti-Catholic hero-worship is one thing; charging someone with promoting a cult and claiming they are a "semi-god" is quite another.  There's ample proof for the former, but not for the latter.

Great response (sarcasm alert).  Find 1 sentence you disagree with and write-off everything else I wrote.  Sounds just like your approach to TFP/TIA.

3.  Your 3rd comment was:  "Átila Sinke Guimarães wants to make people believe in a ludicrous tale of an apparition of Our Lady in Quito elevating Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira to semi-god status."
---The problem with your statement is that you insert the overly-emotional phrase "semi-god status" into your accusation.  You are espousing belief in an apparition as akin to people worshipping a man.  Are you saying that the TFP is similar to Jose Escriva's "Opus Dei"?  There's lots of tales that make that group sound like a cult too.  I've personally encountered multiple sspx families who spoke of +ABL as if he were the greatest saint in the last 100 years.  They had pictures of him all over their house and it was very weird.  They also believe that +ABL is part of prophecy and there are even a few "seers" who say +ABL and/or +Fellay will "save the church".  Is this uncatholic behavior +ABL's fault?  No.
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In my opinion, this hero-worship is uncatholic, but it's also understandable.  It's normal human behavior to admire one's heroes and especially when such heroes lived during a hero-less world.  Do many people take things too far?  Of course.  Do many actions go to the extreme?  Absolutely.  Does this mean the hero encourages such "worship"?  Some do, some don't and to varying degrees.  (Popularity and power are strong psychological drugs, which is why many prostitute themselves in Hollywood.)
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The problem I have with your posts is you are accusing the TFP of being a cult who encourages such uncatholic actions and with no proof.  You take the actions of hero-worshipers and instead of blaming them, you blame the leaders.  Charging someone with anti-Catholic hero-worship is one thing; charging someone with promoting a cult and claiming they are a "semi-god" is quite another.  There's ample proof for the former, but not for the latter.

As you have demonstrated in your first point, you haven't even read, what I have written in this thread.

Start over!

O grande Moisés, com sua sarça ardente no alto do Sinai, não me faz inveja. Pois, se ele ali se relacionou com Deus durante quarenta dias, eu me relaciono com Doutor Plinio há trinta e três anos. E, em tais relações, vejo talvez mais a presença divina do que ele ante o sagrado arbusto. E guardo a esperança de ainda vencer o Profeta nesta tertúlia, quando eu passar do atual degredo para a Pátria.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f159_Defense_Port.htm
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/Internet_Files/F159_Defesa-Port.pdf

The great Moses with his burning bush on the top of Sinai does not make me jealous. For if he were there with God for 40 days, I have been with Dr. Plinio for 33 years. And in this relationship I see, perhaps, more of the divine presence than he before the sacred bush. And I guard the hope that I still may win the dispute with this Prophet when I shall pass from this exile to the Fatherland.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f142_Defense.htm
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/Internet_Files/F142_Defense_Eng.pdf


Átila thinks that God is "more present" in Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira than in the sacred burning bush.

That's the way, Átila presents himself and his Plínio.

We do know without a doubt that there was a segment of Brazilian TFP members who decided to call themselves slaves of Plinio or the slightly less offensive but still disordered Slaves of Our Lady through the hands of Plinio. I don't know how large the faction was and now that I'm looking over it again, I can't say Atila was definitely one of them

Yes, Atila was Slave # 11.

Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG
The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.

I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".

The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:

"Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.

I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. "
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Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:

"Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "

Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).

In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"

Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".

The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.

The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.

Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.

The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."

The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.

So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.

We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.

The twelve first slaves were:

1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
 Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.