Author Topic: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group (Read 34141 times)

Croixalist · « **Reply #65 on:** July 14, 2019, 08:28:40 PM »

Quote from: Cera on July 14, 2019, 06:27:49 PM

Problem Three:
For a letter purportedly from a hostile president of the TFP organization from which Atila is, supposedly being cut off, it is surprisingly full of praise for Atila:

This is from:
“The Letter of the President of the TFP to Atila Sinke Guimarães, November 20, 1997
. . . Very dear Mr. Atila, because of your elevation of sights, your gifts of intelligence, your energy and, above all, the many graces that Our Lady has poured over you, you have a great role to carry out in the Counter-Revolution and in the TFP. . . I take leave with inalterable esteem.”

Thats. Just. Odd.

Yes, very strange and sycophantic. That is an ever-so-slight contradiction in their Q&A on the subject:

"The cordial relations of both Atila Guimarães and Marian Horvat with TFP ceased when they published the book In the Murky Waters of Vatican II. There is no relationship at present – official or otherwise – between the two organizations."
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/A004_tfp.htm

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 14, 2019, 06:56:04 PM

All this bickering is unhealthy too.

Well, what are you waiting for and agree with me! :really-mad2:

Quote from: Struthio on July 14, 2019, 07:36:24 PM

Átila Sinke Guimarães wants his readers to believe that "Our Lady" appeared to "Mother Francisca de los Angeles, the novice mistress" in Quito "in the 1930s" to ask her to pray for his semi-god, Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira:

More delirious nonsense from TIA:

Source: https://www.traditioninaction.org/bev/233bev05_28_2019.htm

A series of miraculous events which can only be verified by people long dead or who enjoy a full cloak of anonymity given to them via the TIA witness protection program. In other words, "Trust me, I know people who've seen things!"

Alan · « **Reply #66 on:** July 14, 2019, 08:29:15 PM »

Quote from: Cera on July 14, 2019, 06:27:49 PM

Problem One:
Why did Atila fight so hard to remain attached to TFP?
Plinio Correa de Oliveira’s group, TFP, was condemned by the Catholic Church in Brazil and Venezuala.
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Thats. Just. Odd.

It's just odd, Cera, that you only chose certain messages to refute, but not mine --- because you couldn't.

You know the TFP is doing good works for God and Our Lady, that's why you couldn't refute my messages. You only presented the "condemnations" of some bishops, but we already know how bad some bishops have become after Vatican Council II.

Mr Taylor Marshall recently even published the book "Infiltration" which exposes the infiltration of communists into the Church. Being a bishop and cardinal today doesn't guarantee a person is loyal to the Church. So the TFP being condemned by some bishops does not proof the TFP is anti-Catholic.

How anti-Catholic is the TFP?? Is it anti-Catholic to promote the Rosary? Is it anti-Catholic to fight against abortion? Is it anti-Catholic to fight against same sex marriage? Is it anti-Catholic to promote "True devotion to Mary"?

Struthio · « **Reply #67 on:** July 14, 2019, 08:40:24 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 14, 2019, 08:21:43 PM

So because TIA is associated with nutt people 20 years ago, and because TIA isn't run by a cleric, that means that everything they do is tainted. Every article they write is bad. Every program is wrong.

Got it. Makes sense.

Átila Sinke Guimarães wants to make people believe in a ludicrous tale of an apparition of Our Lady in Quito elevating Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira to semi-god status.

I want to remind readers that Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira has been worshipped before by TFP and Arautos do Evangelho.

Croixalist · « **Reply #68 on:** July 14, 2019, 08:45:29 PM »

Quote from: Alan on July 14, 2019, 08:29:15 PM

It's just odd, Cera, that you only chose certain messages to refute, but not mine --- because you couldn't.

You know the TFP is doing good works for God and Our Lady, that's why you couldn't refute my messages. You only presented the "condemnations" of some bishops, but we already know how bad some bishops have become after Vatican Council II.

Mr Taylor Marshall recently even published the book "Infiltration" which exposes the infiltration of communists into the Church. Being a bishop and cardinal today doesn't guarantee a person is loyal to the Church. So he TFP being condemned by some bishops does not proof the TFP is anti-Catholic.

How anti-Catholic is the TFP?? Is it anti-Catholic to promote the Rosary? Is it anti-Catholic to fight against abortion? Is it anti-Catholic to fight against same sex marriage? Is it anti-Catholic to promote "True devotion to Mary"?

TFP is fine as long as you don't expect them to go out on a limb on VII. We should probably distinguish Plinio-era TFP with post-Atila TFP. Past TFP is only being brought up now because of TIA's desire to promote it, even going so far as to defend current TFP to do it. There's a lot of crossed wires.

Struthio · « **Reply #69 on:** July 14, 2019, 08:47:40 PM »

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The cordial relations of both Atila Guimarães and Marian Horvat with TFP ceased

Simple explanation: After the death of Plínio, the TFP split into two parts fighting each other. They even went to court.

Guimarães and Horvat later split from one of the two.

But all venerate or worship Plínio.

CathInfo.com

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