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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2019, 02:51:28 PM »

Meg,

Let's cut to the chase.

Are you actually Jade Liboro, posting for the benefit of the SSPX? :-\
You've been on this forum since 2013.  Jade's been in the Quito convent since 2014.

An honest response would be appreciated by all.
Actually what would be appreciated by all would be an intelligent response from you regarding the serious questions which have been raised.
Second best would be an honest question from you.
Making a TIA-type attack disguised as a pseudo- question is rather sophomoric.

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2019, 03:07:02 PM »
Actually what would be appreciated by all would be an intelligent response from you regarding the serious questions which have been raised.
Second best would be an honest question from you.
Making a TIA-type attack disguised as a pseudo- question is rather sophomoric.


Trad granny,

Are you finally admitting that Jade Liboro is an SSPX operative?  You never wanted to talk about that before?
And that her activities in the Quito convent are questionable, to say the least.

Implying that if Jade also posted on Cathinfo as "Meg", to attack the SSPX's adversaries it is a "serious" issue?

I like it... we seem to be making some progress here.


Oh, thank you for calling me sophomoric.... it makes me feel young!  :jumping2:



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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2019, 03:31:35 PM »
This is exactly my issue - the “over-the-topness”.
We aren’t ganging up on her. A few members are simply stating that Cera’s fixation on discrediting the TFP/TIA seems obsessive.
We’re also not saying this issue should be forbidden. But when a new thread is created every week to state the same things over and over again, it gets annoying.
We’ve asked Cera to share with us why she is so fixated on the “evils” of Plinio and Guimaraes. If she had a bad experience with them she should make that know so we would have a better understanding of where she is coming from. But we’ve repeatedly asked her about this to no avail.

And yet you are not concerned about the over-the-topness of some of your confreres.

Why would it matter if Cera explained why she is so concerned about TIA/TFP/Guimaraes/Plinio? At the end of the day, the question still remains: you and the others have not addressed the relevant problems at hand. Instead, you focus solely on those who take issue with TIA/TFP/Guimaraes/Plinio.

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2019, 03:35:17 PM »
For being so "anti-clerical" they do seem rather insistent on submission to the purported hierarchy and disagree with the SSPX precisely on those grounds.  So that seems to directly contradict the charge of anti-clericalism.
TFP was condemned by their local Bishop as being an "anti-Catholic, anti-clerical heretical sect."
As for TIA, one only has to read their unfounded attacks on Blessed Cardinal Newman, Archbishop Lefebrve, Bishop Travez and numerous good, traditional Catholic priests to see that they are indeed anti-clerical.

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2019, 03:50:36 PM »
TIA has great catholic articles and the TFP does great catholic work (like organizing the 8,000+ rosary rallys).  Writing them off because their founder was a nut is akin to condemning the sspx masses as heretical because +Fellay is a modernist-in-hiding (and he is).  There’s no logic, just emotions.  Cena has this false “all or nothing”, “black and white”, “either-or” mindset that is pervasive in the Trad world and which contributes to the lack of unity in our circles and also makes many hesitate to convert to traditionalism.  Basically, she either can’t make ANY distinctions or she doesn’t want to.  The amount of emotion and vitriol she regularly expresses shows it’s the latter.  It’s sad but unsurprising.  Many Trads act like her.  
Since I have posted only statements by Bishops, former members and journalists, I look forward to your citation of the "black-and-white" thinking of which you accuse me.
Like others here, I was once taken in by the appearance of a traditional Catholic group.
It was only when I looked into the condemnations by Bishop Mayer, the Bishops of Brazil, civil authorities of several South American nations, former members of the cult, parents of former members of the cult, and journalists that I realized that the Plinio- worshiping groups are not Catholic.


This includes not only Tradition Family and Property (TFP) and Tradition in Action (TIA); but also America Needs Fatima and Heralds of the Gospel and many others.
The prayer of TFP and Atila (slave#11 to Plinio and founder of TIA) "Let it no longer be I who live but rather Plinio in me who lives" is a blasphemy. Only a heretic "prays" like this.


That is a Catholic statement of fact. Does that sound like "black-and-white" thinking to you?