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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2019, 11:01:43 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on July 13, 2019, 08:33:49 AM

Meg,

Let's cut to the chase.

Are you actually Jade Liboro, posting for the benefit of the SSPX? :-\
You've been on this forum since 2013.  Jade's been in the Quito convent since 2014.

An honest response would be appreciated by all.

:popcorn:
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2019, 11:06:28 AM »
Quote from: Meg on July 12, 2019, 05:46:24 PM
My question is, why have those who support Plinio/TFP on this forum not tried to refute these allegations? All they have done is to refer to a refutation by Guimaraes, but that doesn't cut it. It is a serious accusation, and it needs to be addressed in a forthright manner.

Did Plinio indeed put himself in place of our Lord, and his mother Lucilia in place of our Lady? Because if he did, then there was a very serious problem with Plinio de Oliviera.

Short of someone having first-hand knowledge of the goings on inside the TFP, especially in the 80s, what else can people rely on but the testimony of others?  We find the refutation by Guimaraes to be convincing.  I also know a few American TFP members personally, and even questioned a couple of them regarding Plinio, and the answer was that they respect him, but that is all.  I never got ANY hint of Plinio worship or the worship of Plinio's Mom.  Now maybe it was different in parts of Brazil, but my experience with the American TFP has been nothing but positive.  Of course they do soft-pedal their opposition to Vatican II way too much, but that's a different issue.  For being so "anti-clerical" they do seem rather insistent on submission to the purported hierarchy and disagree with the SSPX precisely on those grounds.  So that seems to directly contradict the charge of anti-clericalism.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2019, 11:16:12 AM »
TIA has great catholic articles and the TFP does great catholic work (like organizing the 8,000+ rosary rallys).  Writing them off because their founder was a nut is akin to condemning the sspx masses as heretical because +Fellay is a modernist-in-hiding (and he is).  There’s no logic, just emotions.  Cena has this false “all or nothing”, “black and white”, “either-or” mindset that is pervasive in the Trad world and which contributes to the lack of unity in our circles and also makes many hesitate to convert to traditionalism.  Basically, she either can’t make ANY distinctions or she doesn’t want to.  The amount of emotion and vitriol she regularly expresses shows it’s the latter.  It’s sad but unsurprising.  Many Trads act like her.  
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Offline Meg

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2019, 11:20:39 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on July 13, 2019, 08:33:49 AM

Meg,

Let's cut to the chase.

Are you actually Jade Liboro, posting for the benefit of the SSPX? :-\
You've been on this forum since 2013.  Jade's been in the Quito convent since 2014.

An honest response would be appreciated by all.

I'm not going to answer your question. I find it amusing that you think that my real name is Jade Liboro, and that I live in a convent in Ecuador.

It's very telling that the followers of Guimaraes think that anyone who questions them is an "agent" of the SSPX, or communism or whatever. It's a strange mentality that perceives an "agent" behind every screen name that opposes them. If you want to think that I'm Jade Liboro, that's fine. It's not like you would believe anything I say anyway. That's why I don't often respond to your posts.
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2019, 11:34:58 AM »
Quote from: Meg on July 13, 2019, 11:20:39 AM
I'm not going to answer your question. I find it amusing that you think that my real name is Jade Liboro, and that I live in a convent in Ecuador.

It's very telling that the followers of Guimaraes think that anyone who questions them is an "agent" of the SSPX, or communism or whatever. It's a strange mentality that perceives an "agent" behind every screen name that opposes them. If you want to think that I'm Jade Liboro, that's fine. It's not like you would believe anything I say anyway. That's why I don't often respond to your posts.

Jade only visits... Meg and you know that, but your posts serve her agenda well.
Jade is computer/server proficient and can post from Ecuador, Florida or any where else in the world.
And who else might know of her routines? :-\
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