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Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2019, 05:06:37 AM »
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Did Plinio indeed put himself in place of our Lord, and his mother Lucilia in place of our Lady? Because if he did, then there was a very serious problem with Plinio de Oliviera.

Also, it seems that there may have been a (secret?) inner circle, which is mentioned in the above quote. Is it possible that most of the followers of Plinio/TFP were not aware of an inner circle?

I don't think Mr Plinio C de Oliveira did put his mother in place of Our Lady because he is a zealous promoter of the Rosary and Fatima message, more than many priests of today.


I don't think he put himself in place of Our Lord too, because I never heard him promoting or glorifying himself but only Our Lord and Our Lady.

Is the TFP anti-Catholic? Judge them by their actions.
"You will know them by their fruits....Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit” (Matthew 7:15-17).

Did they promote abortion or fight against it?
Did they promote sodomy or fight against it?
Did they promote "True devotion to Mary" or fight against it?
etc.

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2019, 08:33:49 AM »
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"Fedeli denounced an inner TFP circle, a blasphemous cult in which our Lord and our Lady were replaced by Plinio and his mother Lucilia."

My question is, why have those who support Plinio/TFP on this forum not tried to refute these allegations? All they have done is to refer to a refutation by Guimaraes, but that doesn't cut it. It is a serious accusation, and it needs to be addressed in a forthright manner.

Did Plinio indeed put himself in place of our Lord, and his mother Lucilia in place of our Lady? Because if he did, then there was a very serious problem with Plinio de Oliviera.

Also, it seems that there may have been a (secret?) inner circle, which is mentioned in the above quote. Is it possible that most of the followers of Plinio/TFP were not aware of an inner circle?


Meg,

Let's cut to the chase.

Are you actually Jade Liboro, posting for the benefit of the SSPX?  :-\
You've been on this forum since 2013.  Jade's been in the Quito convent since 2014.

An honest response would be appreciated by all.


Offline Meg

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2019, 08:35:05 AM »

I don't think Mr Plinio C de Oliveira did put his mother in place of Our Lady because he is a zealous promoter of the Rosary and Fatima message, more than many priests of today.


I don't think he put himself in place of Our Lord too, because I never heard him promoting or glorifying himself but only Our Lord and Our Lady.

Is the TFP anti-Catholic? Judge them by their actions.
"You will know them by their fruits....Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit” (Matthew 7:15-17).

Did they promote abortion or fight against it?
Did they promote sodomy or fight against it?
Did they promote "True devotion to Mary" or fight against it?
etc.

Yes, I am aware that Plinio de Oliveira was a promoter of the Fatima message and the Rosary. But how is it that de Oliveira ended up being worshiped by some of his followers? How can you be sure that Oliveira did not encourage that?

Archbishop Lefebvre's mother was a saintly person, but no one has ever encouraged setting her up as another Blessed Virgin Mary. One has to wonder about what was being taught to people who believe that Plinio (and his mother) are another Christ and Blessed Virgin Mary.

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2019, 08:36:20 AM »
Did Plinio indeed put himself in place of our Lord, and his mother Lucilia in place of our Lady? Because if he did, then there was a very serious problem with Plinio de Oliviera.

Also, it seems that there may have been a (secret?) inner circle, which is mentioned in the above quote. Is it possible that most of the followers of Plinio/TFP were not aware of an inner circle?

There was a public fight between Orlando Fedeli and Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira in the 1980s. They wrote articles in one of the major brazilian newspapers, the Folha de São Paulo (besides books, pamphlets, and articles elsewhere published). Átila Sinke Guimarães wrote in defense of Plínio's TFP.

TFP defenders then admitted the existence of "Sempre Viva" and presented its role and customs as legitimate. On the other hand, Fedeli presented testimony of dropouts.

I only read some of all the hundreds of pages that have been written against or in defense of Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira and the cult of Plínio and Lucília.

In my opinion, the leaked audio of João Scognamilio Clá Dias gives credit to Orlando Fedeli. It was uploaded in 2010 or 2011 and since removed from youtube as well as elsewhere. A transcription can be found at

  http://www.montfort.org.br:84/nova-confirmacao-do-culto-delirante-prestado-a-plinio-correa-de-oliveira/

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É preciso que a gente tenha uma devoção a ele [Dr. Plinio] crescente, um ardor a ele cada vez maior, que a gente o queira com toda força da nossa alma. Que a gente não pense em outra coisa durante o dia senão ele ele ele ele ele ele, que passe o dia ávido, o dia ansioso, o dia desejoso de ter um encontro ainda que místico, interior, com ele, uma conversa, um contato com ele, e a gente, portanto, vá se unindo cada vez mais a ele, a ponto de não termos mais a nossa mentalidade, o nosso espírito, a nossa inteligência, a nossa vontade, a nossa sensibilidade funcionando, a não ser assim: Eu já não vivo, é o sr. Dr. Plínio que vive em mim.

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It is necessary that we have a crescent devotion to him [Dr. Plínio], a constantly growing ardor, that we want him in our soul with all our forces. That we don't think of anything else the whole day long, nothing but him, him, him, him, him, him, [... etc. pp. ...] up to the point where we have: I don't live anymore, it is Dr. Plínio who lives in me.

Re: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2019, 08:49:25 AM »
TIA has been a blessing and service to the Church Militant.