Author Topic: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group (Read 33850 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #145 on:** August 16, 2019, 09:44:28 AM »

Quote from: Alan on August 16, 2019, 09:28:50 AM

Cera must have had very bad personal experience with the TFP / TIA, otherwise how could you explain her repeated and biased attacks on the TFP/ TIA?

Every faithful Catholic knows the TFP / TIA doesn't deserve the label "anti-Catholic", how much good they have done. Many famous faithful Catholics are their allies -- Bishop Schneider, Prof Roberto de Mattei, Michael Voris, J Henry Westen, etc.

I never detected any fanatical pride in TFP / TIA's published materials or videos. What did Cera base when she accused them of fanatical pride?? Or did Cera get treated badly (which she interpreted as "fanatical pride") when she encountered TFP members?

Indeed. I have called Cera out to explain her history with the group and give us some insight why she despises them so much, but she has refused. She clearly has an agenda. It would be one thing to merely have a negative opinion of the group. You would make a post or two and then move along to other subjects. But Cera seems absolutely obsessed with attacking TFP / TIA. I have known over the years quite a few members of the American TFP, and they have all been fine, devoted, dedicated Catholics, and they have never given me the impression of any cult-like devotion to Plinio or his mother.

Struthio · « **Reply #146 on:** August 16, 2019, 09:51:52 AM »

Quote from: Alan on August 16, 2019, 09:28:50 AM

You [Cera] just should not attack the whole organisation when only some members did wrong.

You, Alan, should ask Átila Sinke Guimarães to remove his Pliniolatry from the TIA website and publish a retraction.

Why do you worry about Cera and not about Átila and TIA?

Francisco · « **Reply #147 on:** August 16, 2019, 10:29:07 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 16, 2019, 09:44:28 AM

Indeed. I have called Cera out to explain her history with the group and give us some insight why she despises them so much, but she has refused. She clearly has an agenda. It would be one thing to merely have a negative opinion of the group. You would make a post or two and then move along to other subjects. But Cera seems absolutely obsessed with attacking TFP / TIA. I have known over the years quite a few members of the American TFP, and they have all been fine, devoted, dedicated Catholics, and they have never given me the impression of any cult-like devotion to Plinio or his mother.

There was/is a man called F.John Loughnan, a former SSPXer, who would rant incessantly like this on the Net against Abp Lefebvre and the SSPX. Lefebvre himself would carry relics of his mother.

Cera · « **Reply #148 on:** August 16, 2019, 07:20:07 PM »

Quote from: Alan on August 16, 2019, 09:28:50 AM

You just should not attack the whole organisation when only some members did wrong.

Hi Alan,
You are correct; no one should attack an organization when only one member of that organization did something wrong. It's quite different when the FOUNDER of an organization is a heretic who only pretends to be a Catholic.

You are a newbie and might not understand that what is being discussed is that Atiila G., the FOUNDER of the so-called "Tradition in Action," has made an outlandish heretical statement on his own website in his own words.

He said God is less important than the founder of TIA's parent organization TFP.
Specifically:
The great Moses with his burning bush on the top of Sinai does not make me jealous. For if he were there with God for 40 days, I have been with Dr. Plinio for 33 years. And in this relationship I see, perhaps, more of the divine presence than he before the sacred bush. And I guard the hope that I still may win the dispute with this Prophet when I shall pass from this exile to the Fatherland.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/Internet_Files/F142_Defense_Eng.pdf
It was on page 36 of the docuмent; it is now on page 37.

The defenders of the heretic have refused to respond to the FACTS and have only engaged in repeated name-calling and personal attacks.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #149 on:** August 16, 2019, 07:29:51 PM »

Quote from: Cera on August 16, 2019, 07:20:07 PM

He said God is less important than the founder of TIA's parent organization TFP.
Specifically:
The great Moses with his burning bush on the top of Sinai does not make me jealous. For if he were there with God for 40 days, I have been with Dr. Plinio for 33 years. And in this relationship I see, perhaps, more of the divine presence than he before the sacred bush. And I guard the hope that I still may win the dispute with this Prophet when I shall pass from this exile to the Fatherland.

Is English your first language, Cera? You do realize that this does not say what you slanderously claim, don't you?

What he's saying is that he may have had a greater experience of God in 33 years with Plinio than Moses did in 40 days by the burning bush. He's contrasting 33 years with 40 days, and a relationship with a burning bush.

Poetic excess? Undoubtedly. But the heresy of claiming that Plinio > God? Slander on your part. He says that nowhere in the text you cite. If I had spent 33 years with a great saint, like St. John Vianney, nay, even a year with such as he, I might say the same thing, that I got more out of it in terms of getting to know God than Moses did from the burning bush. And I probably would not be wrong.

I'm starting to wonder if Atila and Cera did not date many years ago and Atila dumped her.

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