Author Topic: Warning against TIA, de Oliveira from a priest who knows the group (Read 34437 times)

Meg · « **Reply #110 on:** July 17, 2019, 11:46:27 AM »

Quote from: Meg on July 17, 2019, 10:57:15 AM

From post above:

Atila wrote:

"The great Moses with his burning bush on the top of Sinai does not make me jealous. For if he were with God for 40 days, I have been with Plinio for 33 years. And in this relationship I see, perhaps, more of the divine presence than he before the sacred bush. And I guard hope that I may win the dispute with this prophet when I shall pass from this exile into the fatherland."

:o

In addition to the strange comparison of Plinio to Moses, and Atila seeming to think that Plinio was greater than Moses (or maybe greater than the burning bush?), I find it odd that Atila would refer to heaven as the "Fatherland."

Is referring to heaven as the "Fatherland" an actual Catholic thing to do? I've not ever heard of Heaven being referred to as thus, but maybe it has been, and I've just not seen it. It kind of has that pagan "Odin" type of connotation to it, from Norse pagan mythology.

Struthio · « **Reply #111 on:** July 17, 2019, 02:12:16 PM »

Quote from: Meg on July 17, 2019, 11:46:27 AM

In addition to the strange comparison of Plinio to Moses, and Atila seeming to think that Plinio was greater than Moses (or maybe greater than the burning bush?), I find it odd that Atila would refer to heaven as the "Fatherland."

Is referring to heaven as the "Fatherland" an actual Catholic thing to do? I've not ever heard of Heaven being referred to as thus, but maybe it has been, and I've just not seen it. It kind of has that pagan "Odin" type of connotation to it, from Norse pagan mythology.

The analogy is: Átila = Moses / Plínio = divine voice of God in the bush.

The "Fatherland" is not Catholic. It's gnostic/caballistic/hermetic/...

Quote from: TIA

Organic Society and the Desire for Heaven

Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira

Since this earth is a land of exile, it was made to not satisfy us entirely. If it could do so, it would not be an exile, but a kind of second fatherland, more like the magnificent fatherland God prepared for us in heavenly Paradise.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/OrganicSociety/A_004_DesireHeaven_PCO.htm

Quote from: The Terminology of Plotinus and of some Gnostic Writings

The One, is a "Father" of the intelligible (En. V, 8, 1). In the absolutely Transcendent is "the fatherland from which we originate and our Father is there" (En I, 6, 8). "The Father" is a common name for the Supreme Being with the Gnostics.

The Terminology of Plotinus and of some Gnostic Writings, Mainly the Fourth Treatise of the Jung Codex (PDF)

Struthio · « **Reply #112 on:** July 17, 2019, 02:45:23 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 17, 2019, 09:17:42 AM

Frankly, I've never heard Plino's name until all these threads. I've heard of Atila but only because he's alive.

Átila Sinke Guimarães is the editor of the TIA website (see traditioninaction.org).

6.090 results for site:traditioninaction.org
2.100 results for site:traditioninaction.org Guimarães
951 results for site:traditioninaction.org Plínio

numbers by google

Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 17, 2019, 09:17:42 AM

If Plino and Atilia are blasphemers and nut jobs, ok. Does that affect all the other people who write articles on their site?

Yes, it affects them. They have put their names in support of Plínio and his "slave" Átila and his TIA Inc.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #113 on:** July 17, 2019, 02:54:51 PM »

What evidence do you have that everyone who writes for TIA is supports Plino 100%? Can they not be writing just for support of the Faith? Your view presupposes that most articles include Plino or Atila in some reference, which isn’t the case. Most articles are about the Faith, not these 2 gentlemen.

Struthio · « **Reply #114 on:** July 17, 2019, 03:23:27 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 17, 2019, 02:54:51 PM

What evidence do you have that everyone who writes for TIA is supports Plino 100%? Can they not be writing just for support of the Faith? Your view presupposes that most articles include Plino or Atila in some reference, which isn’t the case. Most articles are about the Faith, not these 2 gentlemen.

One does not need such evidence to state that the blasphemy of Plínio and Átila affects them.

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