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Offline Ethelred

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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 05:57:44 AM »
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    A constant message coming from the management is that the actions of these remarkable priests will 'fizzle out'. Meaning of course that the institution is always right even when it is wrong, so why not make life easy? This is the Tissier approach who bases it on some divine right of authority. In which case ABL was unwise to resist Rome.

    Very well said with amazing few words.

    In all communistic regimes the party is always right.
    And the Neo-SSPX has a communistic atmosphere since years. Good priests who know the situation well are saying this.

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    « Reply #16 on: September 23, 2012, 06:28:11 AM »
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  • And a second refrain is: 'we have not changed' But while hundreds of us are providing countless instances of change, the laity are comfortable and happy with those few reassurng words! So, while they are remainiing true to an unchanging church ..... and they belong to an institution originally set up to solidify this belief ....... they could not possibly believe that the management is now doing the opposite.  Yes, a re-run of the quiet conciliar revolution.


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    « Reply #17 on: September 23, 2012, 06:30:37 AM »
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    Let me lay to rest one canard retailed by Fr. Chazal.  Fr. de Cacqueray, the French District Superior, with the permission of +Fellay, made a strong denunciation of Assisi III in La Porte Latine, the journal of the French District, and an English translation appeared on www.sspx.org.


    In fact if I recall correctly Father Chazal related in one of his sermons that Fr. de Cacqueray got in trouble for this, even though he sent the text for approval and it was approved.


    That is correct.

    Fr. Chazal is here focusing on his experience with +Fellay in the Philippines.

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    « Reply #18 on: September 23, 2012, 06:34:52 AM »
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    Fr. Chazal's fervour should be enough to build a large independent parish ..... and inspire a few more. He has favoured us with adopting an active approach to the faith instead of the slide into the complacency now found inside the SSPX.


    Quite.

    Catholic action is required, yet most will not step forward.

    Purgatory in time and hell in eternity come as a result of grave omissions. The Faith puts responsibilities on us, each according to his state.

    Fr. Chazal, though having to answer to men, will not have to answer to God.

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    « Reply #19 on: September 23, 2012, 06:36:55 AM »
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    Why is this McFarland still here on Cathinfo and staining the truth, the resistance priests and the last resistance bishop? Is this sellout troll enjoying the privilege of fools here? But why?

    Isn't Cathinfo the last well organised English-speaking Internet bastion of the resistance? Why do we allow the enemy to spill his lies inside the fort? Don't we have enough enemies outside the fort already, and with them enough lies?

    Are we in need of more ecuмenical dialogues to mix truth with error? I am not.

    God bless Bishop Williamson, Fr. Chazal, Fr. J. Pfeiffer and all the other resistance clerics.


    I too would enjoy seeing him bite the dust.

    He is the Second Law of Thermodynamics in human form.


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    « Reply #20 on: September 23, 2012, 06:38:51 AM »
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    A constant message coming from the management is that the actions of these remarkable priests will 'fizzle out'. Meaning of course that the institution is always right even when it is wrong, so why not make life easy? This is the Tissier approach who bases it on some divine right of authority. In which case ABL was unwise to resist Rome.


    The True Religion cannot fizzle out. And now we have some nice persecution to get us some spiritual juice.

    The Resistance will not fizzle. It will grow straight and tall, now that it has been purified of so much dross.

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    « Reply #21 on: September 23, 2012, 09:26:12 AM »
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  • This is a supplement to what Fr Chazal is saying taken from an article posted elsewhere on the Forum:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Roratre-Caeli-is-a-Kosher-Catholic-containment-operation

    Williamson's latest remarks on the Society conflict are searingly logical. His words are like a surgical knife, cutting through all the b.s. emanating--or flowing, as b.s. might do in the metaphor--from Society moderates. Two facts have been covered up as much as possible by the semi-trads……. The first is that Bishop Fellay publicly asserted on several occasions in the past that Rome would never succeed in dividing the Society bishops, since those bishops would always negotiate as a team. Then he entered into secret negotiations and cut out the other three bishops. This has resulted in the very division he swore to avoid. Secondly, +Fellay said on several occasions that there would be no practical agreement before there was general agreement on the main doctrinal issues. The two parties sat for two years and failed to resolve even one of those issues. Then +Fellay attempted to reach an agreement on the "principles and criteria" of doctrinal interpretation--which is not the same thing as agreement on doctrine itself--and he tried to consider a canonical structure, one that would have harmed the S.S.P.X's mission very much, the hated personal prelature. Even to consider the personal prelature structure, in which the lay supporters of the Society become subjects of the local bishops and those local bishops gain a veto over the foundation of future Society apostolates--makes him a traitor to Archbishop Lefebvre.

    So Bishop Fellay has turned out to be a liar and a deceiver and a traitor. Either that or circustances changed his commitments but, in that case, he OWES us an explanation. None has been forthcoming.

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    « Reply #22 on: September 24, 2012, 06:44:22 AM »
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    Why is this McFarland still here on Cathinfo and staining the truth, the resistance priests and the last resistance bishop? Is this sellout troll enjoying the privilege of fools here? But why?

    Isn't Cathinfo the last well organised English-speaking Internet bastion of the resistance? Why do we allow the enemy to spill his lies inside the fort? Don't we have enough enemies outside the fort already, and with them enough lies?

    Are we in need of more ecuмenical dialogues to mix truth with error? I am not.

    God bless Bishop Williamson, Fr. Chazal, Fr. J. Pfeiffer and all the other resistance clerics.


    I too would enjoy seeing him bite the dust.

    He is the Second Law of Thermodynamics in human form.



    Careful: you are suggesting a grave insult to the venerable Second Law.





    Quote from: Francisco
    This is a supplement to what Fr Chazal is saying taken from an article posted elsewhere on the Forum:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Roratre-Caeli-is-a-Kosher-Catholic-containment-operation

    Williamson's latest remarks on the Society conflict are searingly logical. His words are like a surgical knife, cutting through all the b.s. emanating--or flowing, as b.s. might do in the metaphor--from Society moderates.

    Two facts have been covered up as much as possible by the semi-trads……. The first is that Bishop Fellay publicly asserted on several occasions in the past that Rome would never succeed in dividing the Society bishops, since those bishops would always negotiate as a team.

    Then he entered into secret negotiations and cut out the other three bishops. This has resulted in the very division he swore to avoid.

    Secondly, +Fellay said on several occasions that there would be no practical agreement before there was general agreement on the main doctrinal issues. The two parties sat for two years and failed to resolve even one of those issues.

    Then +Fellay attempted to reach an agreement on the "principles and criteria" of doctrinal interpretation--which is not the same thing as agreement on doctrine itself--and he tried to consider a canonical structure, one that would have harmed the S.S.P.X's mission very much, the hated personal prelature.

    Even to consider the personal prelature structure, in which the lay supporters of the Society become subjects of the local bishops and those local bishops gain a veto over the foundation of future Society apostolates--makes him a traitor to Archbishop Lefebvre.

    So Bishop Fellay has turned out to be a liar and a deceiver and a traitor.

    Either that or circuмstances changed his commitments but, in that case, he OWES us an explanation. None has been forthcoming.



    This is a very helpful summary.
    I'd say probably 80% of Society regulars do not know these things have taken
    place, and that everyone I know who is not a society regular and who defends
    +Fellay does not know these things have taken place.

    I'll go further. When I tell them these things, they are going to say to me, "You
    must be paying attention to Internet rumors to believe these things."

    Therefore, I need to attach dates, and sources for each of these items, so as
    to be prepared to substantiate each of them as facts of history, and not as a
    summary that I obtained from the Internet. IOW I need to "make it my own."
    I cannot just say I picked it up here. This has to come from me. I need to be
    the authority they have to contend with, and as such, I need all the answers.

    Can anyone help me with that?



    Bishop Fellay publicly asserted on several occasions in the past that Rome would never succeed in dividing the Society bishops, since those bishops would always negotiate as a team.

    -- When did he make such a statement? I need dates and sources.


    Then he entered into secret negotiations and cut out the other three bishops. This has resulted in the very division he swore to avoid.


    -- I need to be able to back up the assertion that he "cut out the other three bishops.
    How did he cut out +Williamson? How did he cut out +de Mallerais? How did he
    cut out +de Galarreta? For example, is not the latter who headed the "secret
    negotiations" themselves? If so, how was he "cut out" when he headed them?


    +Fellay said on several occasions that there would be no practical agreement before there was general agreement on the main doctrinal issues. The two parties sat for two years and failed to resolve even one of those issues.


    -- I need at least one date for these "several occasions," and preferably three,
    along with location, occasion, and source. As for "the two parties sat for two years," I need to be able to answer, "Who were the parties?" I think each party
    was two or three people, no? I need specifics.


    Then +Fellay attempted to reach an agreement on the "principles and criteria" of doctrinal interpretation--which is not the same thing as agreement on doctrine itself--and he tried to consider a canonical structure, one that would have harmed the S.S.P.X's mission very much, the hated personal prelature.


    -- I need a source and date for this "principles and criteria" accusation. I am going
    to be facing questions like, "How do you know he attempted to reach an
    agreement on the principles and criteria of doctrinal interpretation?" So I need to
    be prepared to answer that.  I can handle the observation that it's not the same
    thing as an agreement on doctrine. I do appreciate this observation, though.

    -- Also, I need to be able to back up the statement that he tried to consider the
    canonical structure of "personal prelature." I need to explain why it is "hated" -
    hated by whom? If it's only hated by someone who is apposed to an accord with
    Rome, that will be a point of contention.

    -- Also, I need to be able to prove that a personal prelature would have harmed
    the SSPX's mission very much. Is that because the Society would be under the
    authority of diocesan bishops worldwide?


    Even to consider the personal prelature structure, in which the lay supporters of the Society become subjects of the local bishops and those local bishops gain a veto over the foundation of future Society apostolates--makes him a traitor to Archbishop Lefebvre.

    -- But aren't lay supporters of the Society already subjects of the local bishops?
    How would a personal prelature change the present situation in regards to the
    laity's subjection to local bishops? I don't understand this.  

    -- I need to prove that the local bishops would "gain a veto over the foundation of
    future Society apostolates. If I can do that, then I can handle making the
    assertion that that makes him a traitor to Archbishop Lefebvre.
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    « Reply #23 on: September 24, 2012, 08:25:19 AM »
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    Even to consider the personal prelature structure, in which the lay supporters of the Society become subjects of the local bishops and those local bishops gain a veto over the foundation of future Society apostolates--makes him a traitor to Archbishop Lefebvre.


    -- Also, I need to be able to back up the statement that he tried to consider the
    canonical structure of "personal prelature." I need to explain why it is "hated" -
    hated by whom? If it's only hated by someone who is apposed to an accord with
    Rome, that will be a point of contention.

    -- Also, I need to be able to prove that a personal prelature would have harmed
    the SSPX's mission very much. Is that because the Society would be under the
    authority of diocesan bishops worldwide?

    Even to consider the personal prelature structure, in which the lay supporters of the Society become subjects of the local bishops and those local bishops gain a veto over the foundation of future Society apostolates--makes him a traitor to Archbishop Lefebvre.

    -- But aren't lay supporters of the Society already subjects of the local bishops?
    How would a personal prelature change the present situation in regards to the
    laity's subjection to local bishops? I don't understand this.  

    -- I need to prove that the local bishops would "gain a veto over the foundation of future Society apostolates. If I can do that, then I can handle making the
    assertion that that makes him a traitor to Archbishop Lefebvre.


    Yes, I agree that to say "the lay supporters of the Society become subjects of the local bishops" is not good wording.  

    2012:
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    DICI: A personal prelature is the canonical structure that you mentioned in recent statements.  Now, in the Code of Canon Law, canon 297 requires not only informing diocesan bishops but obtaining their permission in order to found a work on their territory. ...are you inclined to accept the eventuality that future works may be possible only with the permission of the bishop in dioceses where the Society of Saint Pius X is not present today?

    Bishop Fellay: ... It is still true—since it is Church law—that in order to open a new chapel or to found a work, it would be necessary to have the permission of the local ordinary.  We have quite obviously reported to Rome how difficult our present situation was in the dioceses, and Rome is still working on it.  Here or there, this difficulty will be real, but since when is life without difficulties?  ...  And therefore if a difficulty is not resolved, it would go to Rome, and there would then be a Roman intervention to settle the problem.


    http://www.dici.org/en/news/interview-with-bishop-bernard-fellay-on-relations-with-rome/

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    Mershon: Do you foresee any oversight by territorial diocesan bishops once the Society is regularized?

    Bp. Fellay: That would be our death. The situation of the Church is such that once the doctrinal issues have been clarified, we will need our own autonomy in order to survive. This means that we will have to be directly under the authority of the Pope with an exemption. If we look at the history of the Church, we see that every time the Popes wanted to restore the Church, they leaned upon new strength like the Benedictine Cistercians whom the pope allowed to act as best as possible during the crisis, in a status of exemption, in order to overcome the crisis.  


    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20662&min=15
    http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2009-mershon-interview-fellay.htm

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    « Reply #24 on: September 24, 2012, 10:23:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: John McFarland
    Let me lay to rest one canard retailed by Fr. Chazal.  Fr. de Cacqueray, the French District Superior, with the permission of +Fellay, made a strong denunciation of Assisi III in La Porte Latine, the journal of the French District, and an English translation appeared on www.sspx.org.



    But it was reported that Bishop Fellay was very upset with Fr. de Cacqueray when he saw the strong condemnation of Assisi in print, to which Fr. de Cacqueray replied "But you said I could."  Bishop Fellay's response was something to the effect that "it was very late and I did not have time to read it."

    Likely excuse.........  

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    « Reply #25 on: September 24, 2012, 10:09:57 PM »
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    Let me lay to rest one canard retailed by Fr. Chazal.  Fr. de Cacqueray, the French District Superior, with the permission of +Fellay, made a strong denunciation of Assisi III in La Porte Latine, the journal of the French District, and an English translation appeared on www.sspx.org.



    But it was reported that Bishop Fellay was very upset with Fr. de Cacqueray when he saw the strong condemnation of Assisi in print, to which Fr. de Cacqueray replied "But you said I could."  Bishop Fellay's response was something to the effect that "it was very late and I did not have time to read it."

    Likely excuse.........  


    That article by Fr de Cacqueray had the words "with the approbation of Bishop Fellay" explicitly printed.


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    « Reply #26 on: September 24, 2012, 10:25:38 PM »
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    Let me lay to rest one canard retailed by Fr. Chazal.  Fr. de Cacqueray, the French District Superior, with the permission of +Fellay, made a strong denunciation of Assisi III in La Porte Latine, the journal of the French District, and an English translation appeared on www.sspx.org.



    But it was reported that Bishop Fellay was very upset with Fr. de Cacqueray when he saw the strong condemnation of Assisi in print, to which Fr. de Cacqueray replied "But you said I could."  Bishop Fellay's response was something to the effect that "it was very late and I did not have time to read it."

    Likely excuse.........  


    That article by Fr de Cacqueray had the words "with the approbation of Bishop Fellay" explicitly printed.


    Yes, that's why Fr. de C wrote that.  As Sienna said, Fr. de C had checked with +F ahead of time, and gotten permission, but then when it came out, +F was upset, to which Fr. de Cacqueray replied "But you said I could."  Bishop Fellay's response was something to the effect that "it was very late and I did not have time to read it."  Fr. Pfeiffer told this story on one of his sermons in recent months.  I was glad to finally hear the explanation, because I always wondered why it had that "'with the approbation of Bishop Fellay' explicitly printed" on it, since I've never seen that before on any SSPX docuмent.  

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    « Reply #27 on: September 25, 2012, 02:19:06 AM »
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  • If anyone has a copy of the erstwhile "approved by +Fellay" letter, could you
    post it here so others can get a look too? It sounds like something that would
    be good to have on hand, just in case.

    Too much can get lost with all this confusion going on.

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    « Reply #28 on: September 25, 2012, 08:13:54 AM »
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    If anyone has a copy of the erstwhile "approved by +Fellay" letter, could you
    post it here so others can get a look too? It sounds like something that would
    be good to have on hand, just in case.

    Too much can get lost with all this confusion going on.



    Renewing the Assisi Scandal

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    Renewing the Assisi Scandal
    Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicuм
       

    Fr. Regis de Cacqueray

    9-13-2011

    With the approval of the SSPX's Superior General, Bishop Bernard Fellay, this text of Fr. Regis de Cacqueray (District Superior of France) was first published in French on laportelatine.org on September 12. We thank the French District for allowing sspx.org to publish a translation of this important commentary.  read more here about Assisi III >

    What is going to happen this October 27, 2011? A simple friendly encounter among men and women of good will? Desultory discourse on the divinity of Christ and of His Church? No—the renewal by the reigning pope, Benedict XVI, of the unprecedented scandal perpetrated by his predecessor, John Paul II, on October 27, 1986.

    What will occur this October 27, 2011? A call for conversion to the Catholic faith? The Pope’s declarations clearly indicate what this day will be: the meeting of representatives of all the false religions, called by the Pope personally to join in a day of reflection where all are invited to pray for peace.1

    Certainly, unlike the first Assisi meeting, the prayer is to be silent, though intense. But to what god will these representatives of all the false religions be praying in silence? To what god will they be praying, if not their false gods, since the Pope has invited them explicitly to live more deeply “their own religious faith”?2 To whom will the Muslims be turning, if not the god of Mohammed? To whom will the animists address themselves, if not their idols? How is it conceivable that a pope should call upon the representatives of false religions in their official capacity to participate in a day of personal prayer? This act of the sovereign pontiff constitutes ipso facto a dreadful blasphemy toward God as well as an occasion of scandal for all on earth.

    An Offense against God Triune and Incarnate

    How else should we characterize this religious fair, which gravely offends against the First Commandment: “The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve.”3 How can anyone entertain the thought that God will be pleased with the Jews who are faithful to their fathers, who crucified the Son of God and deny the Triune God? How could He give ear to prayers addressed to Allah, whose disciples relentlessly persecute Christians? How could He accept the suffrages of all the heretics, schismatics, and apostates who have repudiated His Church, which came from His Son’s open side? How could He be honored by the worship offered to idols by all the animists, pantheists, and other idolaters? How could He hear these prayers when His Son has clearly told us the contrary: “No man comes to the Father but by me”?4

    That souls in good faith pray to God while still heretics or unbelievers is one thing; God will recognize His own and will guide them to the one true Church. But to invite these men to pray as representatives of the false religions, according to “their own religious faith,” surely signals that they are being invited to pray according to the spirit and in the manner of their false religions.

    How can we fail to see in this a supreme insult to God thrice holy? How can we fail to be profoundly indignant at the sight of such a scandal? How can silence be anything but complicity?

    The Peace of Christ Denatured

    This exceedingly grave sin equally offends the peace of Jesus Christ. The Pope is calling for prayer for peace. But what is the nature of the peace the Pope seeks? Is it the cessation of the conflicts that bloody the world? But are we really to believe that prayer to false gods will merit for us, not chastisement, but the blessing of peace among men? Has the primeval Flood been forgotten? Has remembrance been lost of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, whose crime was less grave than that of incredulity?5 Has the record of the gory destruction of Jerusalem, the wages of the sins of His people, been stricken from the Gospels and from history?

    Moreover, of what use would it be to us to purchase temporal peace were we to lose our soul? “Be not afraid of them who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do….Fear ye him who, after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell”.6 In another connection, how can we fail to see in this prayer for peace a doubtlessly unconscious yet perfidious diversion, for ecuмenical ends, of the legitimate aspiration of humanity for civil peace? No, the peace brought by Christ cannot be a worldly peace, the Masonic peace sealed with freedom of conscience.

    For in reality the peace for which the current pontiff prays is not merely temporal peace; it is especially religious freedom,7 the liberty of conscience so often condemned by the popes.8 This is the prayer intention given by the Pope; this is the peace the Pope prays for: temporal peace obtained by freedom of conscience.

    Is this the peace of Jesus Christ? of the One who died on the cross to affirm His divinity? The peace of Christ is quite different, as far removed from this Masonic idea of peace as charity is from fraternity. The peace of Christ is peace with God, fruit of the redemption of souls by the Blood of His Son and men’s rejection of sin. As for the civil peace communicated by Christ, it is nothing else than the fruit of Christian civilization, molded by Catholic faith and charity.

    An Odious Humiliation of the Church

    But if the Triune God and the Sacred Humanity of Christ are gravely offended by this invitation to sin, the immaculate Spouse of Christ, His one Catholic Church, is humiliated publicly. Mocked is the teaching of the Apostles, Popes, Fathers of the Church, the saints, the martyrs, and Catholic princes and heroes. Mocked is the teaching of the Psalmist according to whom “all the gods of the gentiles are devils”;9 mocked, the formal order of St. John not to greet heretics;10 mocked, the teaching of a Gregory XVI or a Pius IX,11 for whom freedom of conscience is a “delirium”; mocked, the formal prohibition by Popes Leo XIII12 and Pius XI13 to organize or participate in interreligious congresses; mocked, the martyrdom of a Polyeuctus refusing to sacrifice to idols; mocked, the example of a St. Francis de Sales, writing his Controversies to convert Protestant heretics; mocked, the thousands of missionaries who gave up everything for the salvation of the souls of infidels; mocked, the heroic deed of a Charles Martel, halting Islam at Poitiers, or of a Godefroy de Bouillon, forcing his way by lance and sword into Jerusalem; mocked, a St. Louis of France, who punished blasphemy.

    How can a Catholic imbued with the spirit of Assisi still subscribe to the dogma “Outside the Church no salvation”? How can he see in the Catholic Church the one ark of salvation? What’s more, this scandal comes from the highest sacred authority on earth, from the Vicar of Jesus Christ himself, as if the gravity of such a gathering were not enough. Does this not make of the Pope, presiding over this meeting, not the head of the Catholic Church but the head of a “Church” of the United Nations, the primus inter pares of a religion of all the religions, essentially identical with the Masonic cult of the Great Architect of the Universe? Is this not a satanic perversion of the mission of Peter? Whereas Christ solemnly commanded Peter to “confirm his brethren in the faith” and to feed His sheep, the successor of Peter is in fact going to confirm his brethren in indifferentism and relativism.

    An Immense Scandal

    For, beyond the terrible blasphemy, this personal decision of the Pope will engender an immense scandal in the souls of both Catholics and non-Catholics. Before the image of a Pope uniting the representatives of all the false religions, the reaction of the majority of men will be to relativize truth and religion still more. What individual, little acquainted with the Catholic religion, will not be tempted to be reassured about the fate of non-Catholics when he sees the Pope inviting them to pray for freedom of conscience? What non-Christian will see in the Catholic religion the one true religion to the exclusion of all others when he learns that the head of the Catholic Church has convoked a pantheon of religions? How will he interpret the Pope’s exhortation not to yield to relativism if not by thinking that it is a matter, not of holding to the truth, but of being sincere?

    How could he not interpret in a relativist sense14 the Pope’s explicit invitation to practice one’s own religion as well as possible:

        I shall go as a pilgrim to the town of St. Francis, inviting my Christian brethren of various denominations, the exponents of the world’s religious traditions to join this Pilgrimage and ideally all men and women of good will… [in order] to solemnly renew the commitment of believers of every religion to live their own religious faith as a service to the cause of peace.15

    In 1986, a journalist published this telling conclusion:

        The Pope is inventing and presiding over a United Nations of Religions: those who believe in the Eternal, those who believe in a thousand gods, those who believe in no particular god. An amazing sight! John Paul II spectacularly admits the relativity of the Christian faith, which is now but one among the others.16

    How can it be imagined that this judgment is not shared by many on the eve of October 27, 2011?

    That is why it seems to us singularly strange to excuse the Pope from such a sin on the grounds that Assisi 2011 is different from Assisi 1986. To the contrary, everything concurs to convince us of the surprising continuity between the Assisi meeting in 1986 and that of 2011:

    The nature of the gathering: an invitation to the representatives of the false religions to get together to reflect and to pray for peace.

    The motive: the civic peace promoted by the United Nations. In 1986, John Paul II invited all the religions “in this year 1986, designated by the U.N. as the Year of Peace, to promote a special gathering to pray for peace in the city of Assisi.”17 During his message for peace of January 1, 2011, the date on which he announced the gathering at Assisi on October 27, 2011, Benedict XVI signed these revealing lines:

        Without this fundamental experience [of the great religions] it becomes difficult to guide societies towards universal ethical principles and to establish at the national and international level a legal order which fully recognizes and respects fundamental rights and freedoms as these are set forth in the goals—sadly still disregarded or contradicted—of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights… All this is necessary and consistent with the respect for the dignity and worth of the human person enshrined by the world’s peoples in the 1945 Charter of the United Nations…18

    As Bishop Fellay wrote to John Paul II on the occasion of the second scandal of Assisi in 1999:

        The humanist, earthly and naturalist themes taken up at these meetings cause the Church to fall from its entirely divine, eternal and supernatural mission to the level of the Freemasonic ideals of world peace outside of the only Prince of Peace, Our Lord Jesus Christ.19

    The date: Benedict XVI chose to undertake this initiative twenty-five years to the day after the Assisi fest:

    The year 2011 marks the twenty-fifth anniversary of the World Day of Prayer for Peace convened in Assisi in 1986 by Pope John Paul II… The memory of that experience gives reason to hope for a future in which all believers will see themselves, and will actually be, agents of justice and peace.20

    Is this not a clear sign of evident continuity? Is it not a way to make us relive the painful memory of the scandals of a Buddha on the tabernacle in St. Peter’s Church, the chickens sacrificed to the gods on St. Clare’s altar, the Vicar of Christ flanked by the Dalai Lama and an Orthodox Patriarch under the heel of the KGB? Is it necessary to commemorate the anniversary of an event if the goal is to distance oneself from it? Why proclaim Ubi et Orbi that “the memory of that experience gives reason to hope”? Only the betrayal of straight thinking can have given rise to such a flight from reality.21

    The recollection of his predecessor, as if he wanted to dissipate any misunderstanding and to remind one and all of his fidelity to the spirit of the first Assisi meeting: “This year, 2011, is the 25th anniversary of the World Day of Prayer for Peace which Venerable John Paul II convoked in Assisi in 1986.”22

    It is not only the stalwart defenders of the Pope who use these same arguments to attempt to justify the unjustifiable. Formerly Assisi was defended by making a subtle distinction between “being together to pray” and “praying together.” Will they now be saying that there will be no common prayer, but rather a day of prayer in common? Instead of denying the concomittance of the silent prayers, shall we say that everybody prays separately according to his own religion? As if these specious distinctions were not manufactured for the needs of the cause. As if these subtleties were immediately grasped by the majority of men, who will retain only one thing: a gathering of all the religions for everyone to pray to the divinity, abstracting from any Revelation.

    Finally, and like most of the gestures of the current Pope compared to his predecessor’s, the scandal of Assisi 2011 will be substantially the same but less spectacular than Assisi 1986. That is why, to those who would accuse us once again of lacking in charity because of the vehemence of these lines, we remind them of Christ’s words: “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and thy whole soul, and all thy strength, and thy neighbor as thyself.” Do we show an ardent love of Christ when we fail to decry blasphemy or criticize those who are shocked by it? Do we love our neighbor when we fail to warn him of the looming scandal? Is this the love Christ requires of us? No, as St. Pius X recalled at a dark hour:

        But Catholic doctrine tells us that the primary duty of charity does not lie in the toleration of false ideas, however sincere they may be, nor in the theoretical or practical indifference towards the errors and vices in which we see our brethren plunged, but in the zeal for their intellectual and moral improvement as well as for their material well-being. Catholic doctrine further tells us that love for our neighbor flows from our love for God, Who is Father to all, and goal of the whole human family; and in Jesus Christ whose members we are, to the point that in doing good to others we are doing good to Jesus Christ Himself. Any other kind of love is sheer illusion, sterile and fleeting.23

    So, then, what Church do we belong to? To the Church of St. Polycarp of Smyrna, who retorted to the heretic Marcion, who had asked him if he recognized him, “Yes, I recognize you as the devil’s elder son”?

    Do we belong to the Church of St. Martin, who broke the idols and felled the sacred trees of our countryside?

    Do we belong to the Church of St Bernard, who preached the crusade to our forefathers?

    Do we belong to the Church of St. Pius V, who not only prayed the Rosary, but summoned the Christian princes to make war against the Mohammedans?

    Do we belong to the Church of the saints and martyrs, or to the Church of the Pilates, the Cauchons, the Lamennaises, the Teilhard de Chardins, ever ready to toady to the world and to deliver Christ and His disciples to their detractors?

    Will we judge Assisi with the eyes of faith, of the popes and martyrs, or with the eyes of worldlings, liberals, and modernists?

    That is why we cannot keep silent, and while the Pope prepares for one of the most serious acts of his pontificate, we vigorously and publicly proclaim our indignation, hoping and beseeching Heaven that this well-prepared calamity may not take place. Lastly, how can we fail to think of these words of Archbishop. Lefebvre recalled by Bishop Fellay in 1999 in his letter to the Pope:

        Archbishop Lefebvre saw in this disastrous event of Assisi one of the “signs of the times” which permitted him to proceed legitimately with episcopal consecrations without Your consent and to write to You that “the time for an open collaboration has not yet come.”24 The time has come, however, to make reparation for this scandal, to do penance while keeping in our heart the firm hope that despite the progress of the Mystery of Iniquity, “the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church.”

    September 12, 2011, Feast of the Holy Name of Mary, anniversary of the victory of the Catholic armies over the Turks at Vienna, September 12, 1683.

    Published with the approbation of Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X.

    Footnotes

    1 The agenda for the day and the Holy See’s communiqué leave no doubt about the religious dimension of the event:

    …On the day of the anniversary, 27 October this year, the Holy Father intends to hold a Day of reflection, dialogue and prayer for peace and justice in the world….There will follow a period of silence for individual reflection and prayer. In the afternoon, all who are present in Assisi will make their way towards the Basilica of St. Francis. It will be a pilgrimage in which, for the final stretch, the members of the delegations will also take part; it is intended to symbolize the journey of every human being who assiduously seeks the truth and actively builds justice and peace. It will take place in silence, leaving room for personal meditation and prayer... [Emphasis added]. (Vatican Press Office, Communiqué of 2 April 2011, "Pilgrims of truth, pilgrims of peace": Day of reflection, dialogue and prayer for peace and justice in the world [Assisi, 27 October 2011]).

    2 The purpose announced by the Pope is “to solemnly renew the commitment of believers of every religion to live their own religious faith as a service to the cause of peace.” Benedict XVI, Angelus, St. Peter’s Square, Jan. 1, 2011.

    3 Deut. 6:13; Matt. 4:10.

    4 John 14:16. Cf. also I Jn. 2:23: “Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.”

    5 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet. Amen I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city” (Matt. 10:14-15).

    6 Luke 12, 4-5.

    7

    …the World Day of Peace is a favorable opportunity to reflect together on the great challenges our epoch confronts humanity with. One such is religious freedom, dramatically urgent in our day. For this reason, this year I have chosen to dedicate my Message to the theme: “Religious freedom, the path to peace”... n my Message for today’s World Day of Peace I have had the opportunity to emphasize that the great religions can constitute an important factor of unity and peace for the human family. In this regard, moreover, I recalled that this year, 2011, is the 25th anniversary of the World Day of Prayer for Peace which Venerable John Paul II convoked in Assisi in 1986. Therefore next October I shall go as a pilgrim to the town of St Francis, inviting my Christian brethren of various denominations, the exponents of the world’s religious traditions to join this Pilgrimage… (Benedict XVI, Angelus, Jan. 1, 2011)

    8 “From this poisoned source of indifferentism flows that false and absurd, or rather extravagant, maxim that liberty of conscience should be established and guaranteed to each man….” Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, 1832.

    9 Ps 95, 5.

    10 “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him: God speed you. For he that saith unto him: God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works” (2 John 10-11).

    11 Cf. the Syllabus of Errors, 1864, condemned proposition No. 79: “For it is false that the civil liberty of every cult, and likewise, the full power granted to all of manifesting openly and publicly any kind of opinions and ideas, more easily leads to the corruption of the morals and minds of the people, and to the spread of the evil of indifferentism.”

    12 On the occasion of the World’s Parliament of Religions held in Chicago in 1893.

    13

    For since they hold it for certain that men destitute of all religious sense are very rarely to be found, they seem to have founded on that belief a hope that the nations, although they differ among themselves in certain religious matters, will without much difficulty come to agree as brethren in professing certain doctrines, which form as it were a common basis of the spiritual life. For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission. Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule. Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little. turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion. (Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, January 6, 1928)

    14 This can be done “without losing its own identity or assigned to forms of syncretism” Press Release of the Holy See of April 2, 2011: A day of reflection, dialogue and prayer for peace and justice in the world—“pilgrims of the truth, pilgrims of peace” (Assisi, October 27, 2011).

    15 Benedict XVI, Angelus, St. Peter’s Square, Jan. 1, 2011.

    16 Le Figaro magazine, October 31, 1986, p. 69.

    17 L’Osservatore Romano, January 27-28, 1986.

    18 Message of His Holiness Benedict XVI for the Celebration of the World Day of Peace, January 1, 2011, Nos. 7, 12.

    19 Open Letter of Bishop Bernard Fellay to Pope John Paul II solemnly protesting the renewed scandal of Assisi at Rome on October 28, 1999.

    20 Message of His Holiness Benedict XVI for the Celebration of the World Day of Peace, January 1, 2011, Nos. 11.

    21 [Seule la trahison des bien-pensants peut permettre de se voiler ainsi la face.] Cf. Bernanos, Journal d’un curé de campagne (Plon, 1936), p. 245.

    22 Benedict XVI, Angelus, St. Peter’s Square, Jan. 1, 2011. See also the Vatican’s press release of April 2, 2011:

    “Pilgrims of truth, pilgrims of peace”: Day of reflection, dialogue and prayer for peace and justice in the world, Assisi, 27 October, 2011: The image of pilgrimage therefore sums up the meaning of the event. There will be an opportunity to look back over the path already traveled from that first meeting in Assisi to the following one in January 2002, and also to look ahead to the future, with a view to continuing, in company with all men and women of good will, to walk along the path of dialogue and fraternity, in the context of a world in rapid transformation.

    Already in 2007, on the occasion of the interreligious reunion at Naples, Benedict XVI dispelled any thought of a desire to repent of the first convocation at Assisi:

    Today's meeting takes us back in spirit to 1986, when my venerable Predecessor John Paul II invited important Religious Representatives to the hills of St. Francis to pray for peace, stressing on that occasion the intrinsic ties that combine an authentic religious attitude with keen sensitivity to this fundamental good of humanity.…While respecting the differences of the various religions, we are all called to work for peace…. (Meeting with the Heads of the Delegations Participating in the International Encounter for Peace, October 21, 2007)

    23 St. Pius X, Encyclical Our Apostolic Mandate to the French Episcopacy, August 25, 1910 [English tr. Yves Dupont (1974; Instauratio Press, 1990), §24].

    24 Letter of Bishop Fellay to John Paul II to solemnly protest against the renewal of the scandal of Assisi at Rome on October 28, 1999.

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  • Here is another one he wrote earlier in the year.  

    http://www.laportelatine.org/district/france/bo/CacquerayPolyeucteAssise110119/Cacqueray110119.php



    Quote from: Shamus from Ignis Ardens @ Feb 11 2011, 08:42 AM

    Dear All,

    Below is a translation of a statement published on "La Porte Latine" by M. l'abbé de Cacqueray last month and which I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere in English.

    Although the statement appears to be essentially a response to the FSSP position, it is clear the district superior has seized the opportunity to speak out (in no uncertain terms!) against the scandalous decisions announced by Benedict XVI and to fiercely denounce (without naming names) the very distinct lack of reaction to them. This communiqué, believe me, was like a breath of fresh air over here in France!

    Link to the original text:
    http://www.laportelatine.org/district/france/bo/CacquerayPolyeucteAssise110119/Cacqueray110119.php


    Quote
    Polyeuctus in Assisi



    It’s time to stop beating about the bush, toying with words, lying to ourselves and lying to men. It is deceitful to invoke over and again the virtue of obedience to demand a Catholic’s submission when the Catholic Faith itself is called to question. It is the honour of Our Lord Jesus Christ that must be considered, and not any risk we might run ourselves in speaking up. We must care for outraged souls before thinking of our own personal comfort. Faith must be confessed at all costs and this duty is all the more serious that it’s the Church authorities themselves who are the root of these terrible scandals.

    It is woeful to try to hide behind false arguments that attempt to erase the obvious contradictions that oppose the actions of the present pope and bishops with those of their predecessors. Those who hide behind and promote shameful quibbles are playing a game of lies. They deceive souls in grave matter and lead them away from the Faith. For their silence and guilty complicity they will be held to account.

    The interfaith ceremonies convened by the recent popes inviting the leaders of different religions to pray, each in his religion, for world peace, implies a terrible distortion and weakening of the truth of the Catholic Faith. How could peace come from prayers to false gods who, in reality, are nothing but demons? What peace is possible out with the reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ?

    That this assembly is called for by the Vicar of Christ is an unbearable insult against God. Being crucified between two thieves (who at least did not consider themselves gods) was less offensive to Our Lord than having to put up with this bit-part amongst the thieving idols of those He redeemed with His blood.

    The prospect of celebrating the twenty-fifth anniversary of Assisi with a reiteration of the scandal raises a clear question of conscience for every Catholic that none has the right to evade. Is the blind obedience recommended by Father Hygonnet (FSSP) catholic? How in the name of obedience to the pope, could it be right to even keep quiet, let alone support such a scandal? Not only should the gathering in Assisi not be condoned it must be condemned! Any Catholic who understands the gravity should pray that this cursed assembly may not take place. Every priest who holds to the Catholic Faith must condemn this abomination, even if it means he loses the very walls of his chapel. We hope, though without much illusion, that a few priests break their silence...  

    Make no mistake. We have a choice to make between Catholic Faith and some other idea that is irreconcilable with that same Catholic Faith. On one hand there is the Faith of St. Polyeuctus and all the martyrs who have been glorified by the Church for refusing to incense the idols, for despising those idols and exposing their false cults, for entering the pagan temples and destroying those idols. And on the other hand, these interfaith gatherings that want to promote all religions as being respectable and nourish the illusion that their prayers can bear fruit!

    In 1986, the idol of Buddha was placed upon the tabernacle of one of the churches in Assisi. If St. Polyeuctus had been present, he would have thrown it to the ground and trampled on it. [cf. Act V, scene V Polyeucte Martyr (Pierre Corneille, 1606-1684)]

    What then would John-Paul II, who will be beatified on May 1st, have said to Polyeuctus? Would he have perhaps had him arrested as a disruptive and dangerous catholic fundamentalist? And even there is no repeat of similar impiety in October, what explanation will Benedict XVI give the martyrs that could justify his inviting false religions? No mistake; this fair of religions and faith of Assisi definitely is not our Faith.


    Father Régis de Cacqueray,
    District Superior, France.
    Suresnes, 19th January 2011


    (This is not an official translation. Emphasis respects original French text)


    I don't have direct confirmation of this, but my impression, from various sources including what Shamus wrote in his intro:

    "Although the statement appears to be essentially a response to the FSSP position, it is clear the district superior has seized the opportunity to speak out (in no uncertain terms!) against the scandalous decisions announced by Benedict XVI and to fiercely denounce (without naming names) the very distinct lack of reaction to them. This communiqué, believe me, was like a breath of fresh air over here in France!"

    ...my impression is that he was decrying here the Menzingen-imposed silence of the SSPX regarding Assisi III.  ("without naming names")  If anyone has information to back that up, I would appreciate it.