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Offline SeanJohnson

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Vigano vs Strickland
« on: November 12, 2023, 12:28:48 PM »
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    • 1) Is Vatican II compatible with Tradition?

    Strickland: Yes
    Vigano: No


    2) Do you say the new Mass, ever?

    Strickland: Yes
    Vigano: No


    3) Is the conciliar church the Catholic Church?

    Strickland: Yes
    Vigano: No


    4) Were you ordained in the old rite?

    Strickland: No
    Vigano: Yes


    5) Should we reinstitute the old sacramental rites?

    Strickland: No
    Vigano: Yes


    6) Was Vatican II a true ecuмenical council?

    Strickland: Yes
    Vigano: No


    7) Is Francis a true pope?

    Strickland: Yes
    Vigano: No


    8) Are all the conciliar pontificates questionable?

    Strickland: No
    Vigano: Yes


    9) Should we go back to the pre-Pian Holy Week?

    Strickland: No
    Vigano: Yes


    10) Can Vatican II be corrected to make it traditional?

    Strickland: Yes
    Vigano: No


    The same could be largely said of all the other conservatives: Muller, Schneider, Burke, Sarah, etc.  

    It is THEY who are the controlled opposition.  Vigano, on the other hand, is cut from a different cloth.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #1 on: November 12, 2023, 12:45:12 PM »
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    • Strickland has never said that he is a traditionalist, and it is obvious that he isn't a traditionalist. There's no indication that he has any interest in being a traditionalist, or in being a spokesman for Tradition, as Vigano is. (though Strickland has learned the TLM recently). He's a conservative. Still, he stood up for certain true doctrines, and complained about and criticized Francis, and for that he got into hot water. 


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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #2 on: November 12, 2023, 12:47:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 12, 2023, 12:45:12 PM
    Strickland has never said that he is a traditionalist, and it is obvious that he isn't a traditionalist. There's no indication that he has any interest in being a traditionalist, or in being a spokesman for Tradition, as Vigano is. (though Strickland has learned the TLM recently). He's a conservative. Still, he stood up for certain true doctrines, and complained about and criticized Francis, and for that he got into hot water.

    Meg-

    Please show me where Strickland says he’s a traditionalist.  He’s not.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #3 on: November 12, 2023, 12:48:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 12, 2023, 12:47:12 PM
    Meg-

    Please show me where Strickland says he’s a traditionalist.  He’s not.

    Say what? Where did I say that Strickland is a traditionlist? did you even read my post? 
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #4 on: November 12, 2023, 12:50:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 12, 2023, 12:48:46 PM
    Say what? Where did I say that Strickland is a traditionlist? did you even read my post?

    I’m not sure why you’re defending him.  He ends his prayers with “Amen” (which in Italian is “so be it,” a clear Masonic reference and signal).  Quit trying to make him out as traditional.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #5 on: November 12, 2023, 12:53:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 12, 2023, 12:50:47 PM
    I’m not sure why you’re defending him.  He ends his prayers with “Amen” (which in Italian is “so be it,” a clear Masonic reference and signal).  Quit trying to make him out as traditional.

    😂
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #6 on: November 12, 2023, 12:55:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 12, 2023, 12:50:47 PM
    I’m not sure why you’re defending him.  He ends his prayers with “Amen” (which in Italian is “so be it,” a clear Masonic reference and signal).

    Given that you only respond emotionally, I shouldn't even reply to you. 

    You are the one who is comparing Strickland and Vigano. Isn't it obvious that Vigano considers himself to be a trad, and a spokesman for Tradition, and Strickland does not think of himself in that manner? 

    Obviously, Strickland is not a trad. Do you understand what I mean when I say this? Or is it too difficult to understand? 

    Go ahead and compare them, but at least be realistic. They are both very different. 
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #7 on: November 12, 2023, 01:03:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 12, 2023, 12:55:49 PM
    Given that you only respond emotionally, I shouldn't even reply to you.

    You are the one who is comparing Strickland and Vigano. Isn't it obvious that Vigano considers himself to be a trad, and a spokesman for Tradition, and Strickland does not think of himself in that manner?

    Obviously, Strickland is not a trad. Do you understand what I mean when I say this? Or is it too difficult to understand?

    Go ahead and compare them, but at least be realistic. They are both very different.

    Defend Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ all you want, but Strickland is no trad, no matter how emotional you get.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #8 on: November 12, 2023, 01:08:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 12, 2023, 01:03:21 PM
    Defend Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ all you want, but Strickland is no trad, no matter how emotional you get.

    Okay, I get it. Don't worry, I won't post on your thread again. :laugh1:
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #9 on: November 12, 2023, 01:12:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 12, 2023, 01:08:30 PM
    Okay, I get it. Don't worry, I won't post on your thread again. :laugh1:

    You can post all you want, as long as you quit defending Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and trying to pass Strickland off as a trad.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #10 on: November 12, 2023, 08:45:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 12, 2023, 01:12:31 PM
    You can post all you want, as long as you quit defending Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and trying to pass Strickland off as a trad.
    In her post Meg said he was conservative, not trad.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #11 on: November 12, 2023, 08:50:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiserereMei on November 12, 2023, 08:45:57 PM
    In her post Meg said he was conservative, not trad.

    I agree that she is wrong to consider him a trad.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2023, 09:11:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 12, 2023, 12:50:47 PM
    I’m not sure why you’re defending him.  He ends his prayers with “Amen” (which in Italian is “so be it,” a clear Masonic reference and signal).  Quit trying to make him out as traditional.
    Is this a joke? I end every prayer with Amen.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #13 on: November 12, 2023, 09:19:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: hgodwinson on November 12, 2023, 09:11:41 PM
    Is this a joke? I end every prayer with Amen.
    Meg and Miser have exposed it as a Masonic plot.  They are currently in hiding for their lives, eluding Viganò’s hit squads.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #14 on: November 13, 2023, 04:15:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 12, 2023, 08:50:57 PM
    I agree that she is wrong to consider him a trad.
    Quote from: Meg on November 12, 2023, 12:45:12 PM
    Strickland has never said that he is a traditionalist, and it is obvious that he isn't a traditionalist. There's no indication that he has any interest in being a traditionalist, or in being a spokesman for Tradition, as Vigano is. (though Strickland has learned the TLM recently). He's a conservative. Still, he stood up for certain true doctrines, and complained about and criticized Francis, and for that he got into hot water.
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