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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Priest pleads guilty
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2023, 11:51:29 AM »
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on April 12, 2023, 01:42:37 AM
I see some many of you who posted still criticize Church militant instead of directing your anger towards the real problem which is the Sspx, Bergolio and the whole Catholic Church.    There is a pope in Rome who is an anti Christ.  Rapes of innocent children is of the anti Christ. 

Why is this an either-or, a false dilemma?

One can criticize the SSPX, etc. AND also CM's "reporting".  They clearly have an ax to grind and have in fact unjustly maligned some priests and faithful (even Archbishop Lefebvre) in some of their stories.  Also, their publishing of the graphic details of the abuse suffered by this poor girl served no purpose and is reprehensible, as well as their "doxing" of the poor girl ... though her family is largely to blame for that.  What WERE they thinking in not having the identity of the victim kept sealed by the courts?  So both can be at fault, both CM and the SSPX.  It's not one or the other.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Priest pleads guilty
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2023, 11:54:12 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 12, 2023, 11:37:15 AM
So you're not Catholic then?  If you're blaming sin on the Church, then I don't see how you're catholic.  That's utter heresy and protestant thinking.

Also, the problem is not any institution (even the sspx); the problem is Original Sin and human nature.  People do bad things sometimes.  It's been going on since the beginning of time.  Remember Cain and Abel?  Days of Noah?  Tower of Babel?  There's nothing new under the Sun.

Indeed, I was going to make this analogy also.  Many heretics use these types of crimes as ammunition to attack the Catholic Church in principle and to back their theological/religious claims against the Church.

Where SSPX are at fault, however, is if there's some kind of systematic attitude of covering these matters up.  But even then, it isn't SSPX as the society envisioned by +Lefebvre that's at fault, but rather the various individuals currently in positions of leadership within the SSPX.  Any leaders caught covering up such crimes should be expelled from the SSPX and possibly reported to the civil authorities.  Instead, they keep +Fellay around (retained him as SG for years after these scandals broke), despite the fact that he clearly covered up the crimes of Fathers Abbet and Groche, and then transferred them to situations wherein they proceeded to assault even more victims.  As such, they should be held criminally accountable for those subsequent cases of abuse after they had found out about the charges and then proceeded to transfer the priests involved.  But +Fellay is still around, whereas Bishop Williamson was expelled for opining about a certain historical matter so fast that his head practically spun.
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Offline Bl Alojzije Stepinac

Re: SSPX Priest pleads guilty
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2023, 12:46:45 PM »
   
I agree with Ladislaus, CM for me lost credibility years ago.
Voris did hard and good job against Novus ordo priests and bishops.
But he started to crack down on SSPX so hard, they changed from accusations for schism on accusations for pedophile crimes and cover-up.
Maybe there is a truth in some of cases, but there is a bias and some stories doesn't sound like they have firm evidence.
And for going in public about horrible details not hiding identity of priests and victims, is crime against the state law. That's not how investigative journalism should be.

Priest are much more tempted by demons, there can be sins and crimes like that but it has to be exposed. Truth will always emerge on the surface, sooner or later. This new leadership of neo-SSPX has much to answer for. It's hard to imagine how many of cover-up is done in manner so that superiors aren't aware of it. 
God please keep more children away from this evil predators, let Your mercy move this poor clergy to repentance and that they would publicly admit this sins, scandals.
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Offline Marius

Re: SSPX Priest pleads guilty
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2023, 04:04:42 PM »
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on April 12, 2023, 01:42:37 AM
I see some many of you who posted still criticize Church militant instead of directing your anger towards the real problem which is the Sspx, Bergolio and the whole Catholic Church.  
I hope you will re-examine some of your premises if you've been lead to believe the Catholic Church itself is the problem.

If the Church herself is the problem, what then do you consider to be the solution?
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