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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Vigano Unloads Again
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2023, 07:04:45 PM »
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  • :facepalm: Look it up again.  Rhetorical questions are not actual questions, thus the term.  They're a rhetorical way of making a statement.

    How can that guy be pope?  Is not a question, but a statement.  It's basically saying "There's no way that guy can be the pope."

    He is right you know, it is technically still a question. The point Yeti is making is that Vigano does a lot of talking and says a lot of right things, but what we need right now are actions and answers. Why are you belittling him when what he is conveying is quite simple to understand?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Vigano Unloads Again
    « Reply #16 on: November 10, 2023, 08:29:32 PM »
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    He is right you know, it is technically still a question. 
    You’re arguing at a Meg-level, right here.  Not a good look. 


    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Vigano Unloads Again
    « Reply #17 on: November 10, 2023, 09:34:38 PM »
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  • You’re arguing at a Meg-level, right here.  Not a good look.

    :facepalm: Still not getting it are you?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Plenus Venter

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    Re: Vigano Unloads Again
    « Reply #18 on: November 10, 2023, 11:15:02 PM »
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  • Vigano does a lot of talking and says a lot of right things, but what we need right now are actions and answers.
    Is it really?
    If he revealed the Pope was not the Pope and held a conclave would that solve our problems?
    Or perhaps if he manned a tank and drove it down the via della concilazione?
    Or is he required to start another seminary, then we will listen?
    He is doing exactly what a good shepherd ought to do - preach the truth uncompromisingly - and that in a Church and world where most shepherds, if they are not corrupting the flock with false doctrine (and immorality), are at best mute. He is condemning the errors undermining those truths of salvation with a rare eloquence, and he is vigilantly crying wolf - while the SSPX has agreed "to criticise less".
    He has only recently extricated himself from the Conciliar Church that held him captive for many decades through false obedience, and now he is enlightening the vast majority of Catholics today who are in that same situation. Those who have the Faith might be a small percentage of the Conciliar Church, but numerically they are surely far more numerous than 'Traditional' Catholics.
    He is a priceless gift from God and renders an immense service to the Church. No one of good will can listen to him without having their faith strengthened and without growing in knowledge and love of the truth.
    "Going therefore, teach ye all nations". Behold a good and faithful servant who has not buried his talents. 83 years old, and still fighting...


    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: Vigano Unloads Again
    « Reply #19 on: November 11, 2023, 07:21:25 AM »
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  • No one of good will can listen to him without having their faith strengthened and without growing in knowledge and love of the truth.
    Another quote of Plenus Venter:

    Any Catholic who is not encouraged and grateful to God for such an extraordinary conversion and wonderful defense of the Faith does not have the spirit of Our Lord Jesus Christ and has little love for the Church and for souls.









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    Re: Vigano Unloads Again
    « Reply #20 on: November 11, 2023, 07:25:42 AM »
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  • Is it really?
    If he revealed the Pope was not the Pope and held a conclave would that solve our problems?
    Or perhaps if he manned a tank and drove it down the via della concilazione?
    Or is he required to start another seminary, then we will listen?

    If he started his own Trad group or seminary, then the conspiracy theorists and detractors would REALLY come out of the woodwork.  +Vigano's having taken no such action is in fact another reason to rejection the notion that he's secretly working against Traditional Catholicism.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Vigano Unloads Again
    « Reply #21 on: November 12, 2023, 06:06:58 PM »
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  • Actually, if I remember correctly, he never came right out and said this. 

    Well, if you needed further clarity, he's given it here:


    Editor’s note: The following text has been taken from a November 10, 2023 post on Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò’s account on X (formerly Twitter).

    (LifeSiteNews) —

    "Bergoglio is attending COP 28 to beat the drum about the the “climate emergency” and will inaugurate the “Faith Pavilion” there.
    • Climate change is a scientific fraud.
    • Inauguration of an ecuмenical place of worship is a religious fraud.
    • Bergoglio’s intervention is a pastoral fraud.
    There is nothing true, good or holy about what will take place in Dubai. There is only yet more evidence that a man dressed as pope is usurping the authority of the Church to support the narrative of a den of God’s subversive enemies to enslave humanity. And instead of proclaiming that the only salvation comes from Our Lord Jesus Christ who became incarnate and died for us, he propagates religious indifferentism and lowers the living and true God to the level of false gods and idols."

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Vigano Unloads Again
    « Reply #22 on: November 12, 2023, 06:55:03 PM »
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  • Well, if you needed further clarity, he's given it here:


    Editor’s note: The following text has been taken from a November 10, 2023 post on Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò’s account on X (formerly Twitter).

    (LifeSiteNews) —

    "Bergoglio is attending COP 28 to beat the drum about the the “climate emergency” and will inaugurate the “Faith Pavilion” there.
    • Climate change is a scientific fraud.
    • Inauguration of an ecuмenical place of worship is a religious fraud.
    • Bergoglio’s intervention is a pastoral fraud.
    There is nothing true, good or holy about what will take place in Dubai. There is only yet more evidence that a man dressed as pope is usurping the authority of the Church to support the narrative of a den of God’s subversive enemies to enslave humanity. And instead of proclaiming that the only salvation comes from Our Lord Jesus Christ who became incarnate and died for us, he propagates religious indifferentism and lowers the living and true God to the level of false gods and idols."


    Excellent statement!
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?