Author Topic: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry (Read 11006 times)

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #35 on:** June 18, 2022, 01:30:04 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 09:26:03 AM

I re-read +Vigano's letter to Trump, which catapulted him into the public arena, and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it. He describes the battle between light and darkness, without being binary about it, admitting that even though there's this division, many on the side of right in principle are beset with many sins and weaknesses. He calls out the good things Trump did in favor of the unborn and against the persecutions of Christian, etc. ...

+Vigano
This "dare to believe" is basically saying: "Trump, if you are in fact on the side of good, if there's something real behind all these good things you did, please realize that we're at war with evil and do the right thing." He basically identifies those in the "Trump camp" to be -- generally or vaguely-speaking -- on the side of good, and is appealing to Trump to do the right thing.

This is a terrific letter and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it ... except for a comment that could be read as giving play to the notion of "Religious Liberty".

What is the "side of good" Vigano is looking for here?

Did Trump "do the right thing"?

According to Vigano's own criteria, no. Trump did not do the right thing. Trump is on the side of darkness.

So it makes no sense for Vigano to continue to support him.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #36 on:** June 18, 2022, 02:22:09 PM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 01:30:04 PM

So it makes no sense for Vigano to continue to support him.

How does he "continue to support" him? Even that letter was not so much unequivocal support as it was an appeal for him to do the right thing. Your assertion that because +Vigano doesn't regularly condemn Trump, that's tantamount to support is ridiculous. I recall on the other thread where you excoriated him for not condemning Trump, but in the letter he made no mention of US politics at all, mostly wrote about the Church and some stuff in Italy. You're basically criticizing him for not condemning Trump in every other sentence of his writing. He doesn't mention him much any more because ... Trump has become entirely irrelevant. That would be like criticizing me for not attacking Obama with every post that I make. If Trump runs again in 2024, and +Vigano endorsed him without qualification, then get back to me.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #37 on:** June 18, 2022, 02:26:49 PM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 01:23:01 PM

I see.

Instead of focusing on Vigano and his continued support for a mass murderer

let's change the subject and focus on the whistleblower.

I'm not changing any subject. That is the subject, whether a well-intentioned Catholic might mistakenly have supported Trump and not deserve constant recriminations over it ... and therefore have his very orthodoxy held under suspicion.

Demonstrate where +Vigano continues to support Trump. As I just posted, you attacked him for not condemning Trump in a recent letter he wrote, a letter which hardly mentioned US politics at all.

bodeens · « **Reply #38 on:** June 18, 2022, 04:29:03 PM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 11:42:42 PM

I don't know.

All I know is that when I heard that Vigano was warning Trump about the deep state I thought,

"Umm...I'm pretty sure Trump already knows quite a bit about the deep state. He's been partying with Epstein for 30 years now."

But whatever, people were all gung ho about Trump as our savior and wouldn't listen about the dangers of the gene editing shots.

I wondered what Vigano would do when people started to die from the Operation Warpspeed "Trumpcines" and Trump kept pushing them wanting to be called "The Father of the Vaccine".

Would Vigano admit he made a mistake supporting Trump?

Will he distance himself from Trump?

Would he tell Trump to stop the genocide?

Surely he will have to, right?

After two years now and thousands dead...

Nope.

Instead he continues to support Trump and even lies for him.

Whaaaaa? I couldn't believe it.

But what concerned me even more is that there aren't any bloggers or others who even recognize this. Trads poured over his every letter and they didn't even notice that he lied.

Apart from that I always keep in mind:

Lol yeah, Vigano is so controlled they can't just kill him and silence all opposition like they do in the VII sect. You realize the absurdity of your position? Frankie would love to send Vigano to a monastery and shut him up forever. Some of his opponents within the VII hierarchy would materially benefit from whistleblowers like Vigano being dead.

Lenin, Hitler and Mao's controlled opposition never fundamentally undermined their positions. I'm not buying this argument at all, when we get antipope Tagle or Cupich I am going to be further vindicated and your position is going to seem even more unhinged.

songbird · « **Reply #39 on:** June 18, 2022, 05:25:18 PM »

IMO Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is not using the WHO or the church (like catholic charities). No one is twisting any ones arms to take the money. It is the federal grants, our money, given freely to those entities, who "choose" to take it and implement the agenda of Communism ideology.

Catholic Charities for example 65% of their income, comes from federal grants. The other 35% come from the peoples pockets (For every 1$ Federal grants give More$$$ some times $1 to $10. Catholic charities lost its soul if it ever had one. We should know by now that the counterfeit church is a happy pig in mud. No one is forced to take the money. No one is forced to take on the ideology of communism. Entities freely choose and do it. Then we wonder why we are in this mess!

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