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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2022, 06:13:44 AM »
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  • I don't know. 

    All I know is that when I heard that Vigano was warning Trump about the deep state I thought,

    "Umm...I'm pretty sure Trump already knows quite a bit about the deep state.  He's been partying with Epstein for 30 years now."

    But whatever, people were all gung ho about Trump as our savior
    and wouldn't listen about the dangers of the gene editing shots.

    I wondered what Vigano would do when people started to die from the Operation Warpspeed "Trumpcines" and Trump kept pushing them wanting to be called "The Father of the Vaccine".

    Would Vigano admit he made a mistake supporting Trump?

    Will he distance himself from Trump?

    Would he tell Trump to stop the genocide?

    Surely he will have to, right?

    After two years now and thousands dead...

    Nope.

    Instead he continues to support Trump and even lies for him.

    Whaaaaa?  I couldn't believe it.

    But what concerned me even more is that there aren't any bloggers or others who even recognize this.  Trads poured over his every letter and they didn't even notice that he lied.



    Apart from that I always keep in mind:



    Miser,

    I personally don't care about Trump, but I do think you have valid questions.  So does Incredulous.  So have I over the last couple of years. 
     
    But... if there's one thing I've learned here is that one may not be critical of Vigano.  People get very defensive and accusatory. 

    He's said some good things, but he's also said some concerning things. And, as you and Incredulous have pointed out, there are things he just doesn't say.  As such, I'm still not convinced that he's all that he's cracked up to be.

    Time will tell.  I just wonder how much time he's got left.  

      
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


    Offline richard

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #16 on: June 18, 2022, 07:32:25 AM »
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  • Miser,

    I personally don't care about Trump, but I do think you have valid questions.  So does Incredulous.  So have I over the last couple of years.
     
    But... if there's one thing I've learned here is that one may not be critical of Vigano.  People get very defensive and accusatory.

    He's said some good things, but he's also said some concerning things. And, as you and Incredulous have pointed out, there are things he just doesn't say.  As such, I'm still not convinced that he's all that he's cracked up to be.

    Time will tell.  I just wonder how much time he's got left. 

     
    I just wonder how much time any of us have left, the darkness grows denser by the day.


    Offline Simeon

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #17 on: June 18, 2022, 08:15:44 AM »
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  • To: Miser Peccator

    You are absolutely correct on all counts.

    There is something deeply wrong with Vigano. There is a grave disconnect. Note the telling omissions brought up by Incred, and consider them in light of his Trump-lust.

    Trump IS chabad. Trump IS deep state. Trump IS "great reset," which simply means that Christianity is taken out of the world, and paganism's dominion is restored.

    The combination of telling omissions and unwholesome allegiances is a very clear indication of Vigano's inherent dishonesty and unworthiness.

    Furthermore, the fact that he so prolifically publishes "from hiding" smacks of farce.

    Vigano is yet another psy op for the traddie goy.

    I will note one other thing. Lifesite news is the USA platform for Vigano. It is worse than novus ordo. It is judaic. Prominently featured on Lifesite is none other than Rosalind Moss, so called "Mother Miriam," a judaizer-in-drag. I forced myself to listen to some of her disgusting schmaltz, just to make sure. Yup, she's up to her old, EWTN-days, judaizing tricks. And she's also got a false-narrative, sensationalist, prepper schtick to boot. Another kosher psy op.  


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #18 on: June 18, 2022, 09:00:31 AM »
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  • There is something deeply wrong with Vigano.

    Nonsense.  There's nothing "deeply" wrong with him.  As many Traditional Catholics, they were fooled into thinking that Trump was on some level a "good guy".  I hold that Trump is a con-artist, but at the same time this is just my gut feel based on my interpretation of circuмstantial evidence, and I have no actual proof, and I do not fault any of the Trad Catholics who voted for him and supported him.  There's also some evidence that he was not totally under their control, where he went off script, such as when he was promoting hydroxychloroquine ... and yet was easily manipulated by the Jєωs who surrounded him, like Kushner and quite a few of is cabinet.  For the most part, whether or not he was a conscious agent of the JWO, he wasn't particularly bright.  He also had very poor judgment about people ... as he had to fire nearly his entire original cabinet over time, and in the end was on record saying that he misjudged Pence and regretted selecting him as a running mate.  He was also deeply driven by his (almost delusional and certainly puerile) ego, and therefore easily manipulated that way.  Such types are easily manipulated by the right kind of flattery or "sucking up" ... I've known a few of these over the years, and you can definitely lead them around by their egos if you wanted to.  I also think he was morally corrupt in his personal life, and rather perverted.  He was very likely himself and Epstein customer.  Given that Epstein was collecting information in order to blackmail people, there's a good chance the Jєωs could control him with the threat of releasing videos of him raping Epstein's young girls.  It's very likely that, in the final analysis, he was a conflicted and mixed up guy, with personal vice mixed in, and yet with some goodness buried deep inside somewhere ... not entirely unlike a Mel Gibson.

    Nor was +Vigano primarily focused on Trump, but rather on the types of people who were "Trump supporters."  And even today Trump supporters boo Trump in public when he talks about the jab.  +Vigano has been by far one of the most outspoken opponents of the jab, so he is being falsely accused by the obsessive-compulsve Miser of condoning it due to his appeals to Trump and Trump supporters.  Perhaps +Vigano detected also that deep down in Trump there was SOME goodness, and he was trying to appeal to that and draw it out of Trump.  In fact, the one letter he wrote to Trump could very well be read as precisely that attempt to influence Trump by appealing to his ego that I spoke of regarding how egotists are easily manipulated that way.  Trump tweeted out that letter.  But, also, by addressing Trump, +Vigano very shrewdly gained a lot of publicity in public, where even non-Catholic forums were all over his letter and praising him for it.  So he got the ear of the general public that way.

    Miser, did you ever answer the question I asked earlier about whether you voted for Trump in 2016?

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #19 on: June 18, 2022, 09:10:17 AM »
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  • Nonsense.  There's nothing "deeply" wrong with him.  As many Traditional Catholics, they were fooled into thinking that Trump was on some level a "good guy".  I hold that Trump is a con-artist, but at the same time this is just my gut feel based on my interpretation of circuмstantial evidence, and I have no actual proof, and I do not fault any of the Trad Catholics who voted for him and supported him.  There's also some evidence that he was not totally under their control, where he went off script, such as when he was promoting hydroxychloroquine ... and therefore easily manipulated by the Jєωs who surrounded him, like Kushner and quite a few of is cabinet.  For the most part, whether or not he was a conscious agent of the JWO, he wasn't particularly bright.  Nor was +Vigano primarily focused on Trump, but rather on the types of people who were "Trump supporters."  And eve today Trump supporters boo Trump in public when he talks about the jab.

    Miser, did you ever answer the question I asked earlier about whether you voted for Trump in 2016?

    Great post, and perfectly correct.

    Here’s Trump getting booed for telling a crowd to get vaxed (just one of many such occurrences: Was he doing this deliberately to circuмvent censorship, and show the American public how unpopular the Vax was?  Usually, if a politician knows he’s going to get booed, he wouldn’t incite that reaction):


    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #20 on: June 18, 2022, 09:16:08 AM »
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  • Yeah, and in that video, I really think that Trump is again being 1) manipulated and 2) driven by his ego, with perhaps the manipulators using his ego (so 1 and 2 in tandem).  At some point he was persuaded that the jab would bring an end to the COVID crisis and save lives, and that he could pin his "legacy" on the jab ... that's why he wanted to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine [that saved America and the world]".  He was all proud of his Operation Warp Speed.  He wanted to hang his (egoistic) hat on saving the world from COVID.

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #21 on: June 18, 2022, 09:22:16 AM »
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  • Nor was +Vigano primarily focused on Trump, but rather on the types of people who were "Trump supporters." 

    An important distinction. 

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #22 on: June 18, 2022, 09:26:03 AM »
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  • I re-read +Vigano's letter to Trump, which catapulted him into the public arena, and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it.  He describes the battle between light and darkness, without being binary about it, admitting that even though there's this division, many on the side of right in principle are beset with many sins and weaknesses.  He calls out the good things Trump did in favor of the unborn and against the persecutions of Christian, etc. ...

    +Vigano
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    For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

    This "dare to believe" is basically saying:  "Trump, if you are in fact on the side of good, if there's something real behind all these good things you did, please realize that we're at war with evil and do the right thing."  He basically identifies those in the "Trump camp" to be -- generally or vaguely-speaking -- on the side of good, and is appealing to Trump to do the right thing.

    This is a terrific letter and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it ... except for a comment that could be read as giving play to the notion of "Religious Liberty".


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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #23 on: June 18, 2022, 09:32:29 AM »
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  • There's a difference between saying that people make mistakes and that they're "deeply (aka radically) flawed".  Archbishop Lefebvre made quite a few mistakes and IMO got some things wrong, but he was not deeply flawed.  We're all human and we make mistakes.  Even if +Vigano has made a mistake or two here or there, mistakes in judgment, that does not warrant the excoriation of him that I have seen here on CI.  It's absolutely unwarranted and comes from a dark place.

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #24 on: June 18, 2022, 12:20:40 PM »
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  • To: Lad

    Regarding my comment that there is something “deeply wrong” with Vigano, I would explain that I have compared Vigano to the objective image many have in mind of him – namely a candidate for the Papal Office. Everything anyone on this thread has said about him, falls into the category of opinion. We await a more certain revelation of his true nature. It is my opinion that Vigano does not speak with the voice of the Shepherd of Souls, but rather with a weak facsimile of that voice. My opinion of him as deeply flawed is bound up with my sense of him as being projected onto the public mind as “papal.” Were he not so projected, my opinion of him might be simply that he says some helpful things and some harmful things. It is by virtue of the image being projected, that I have used the predication “deeply wrong.”

    Like you, I have no animus towards anyone who either voted for Trump or who thinks Vigano is “papal.” My own gut tells me that Vigano is not the answer for the Church. I cannot surmise why he has talked so much about Trump, and even aligned his rhetoric somewhat with Trump’s rhetoric. All I know is that somehow Vigano’s cuмulative avalanche of words falls far short of the true Voice of the Shepherd. “My sheep hear My voice: and I know them, and they follow Me.” I don’t hear our Lord Jesus Christ speaking when I listen to Vigano. Just my opinion while I await the full revelation of the sons of God.

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #25 on: June 18, 2022, 12:23:40 PM »
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  • There's a huge difference between asserting that he would not make a good pope (and I disagree) ... and quite another to say that there's something "deeply wrong" with him.


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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #26 on: June 18, 2022, 12:25:14 PM »
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  • I don’t hear our Lord Jesus Christ speaking when I listen to Vigano.

    And many of us do.  His writing reads like Encyclicals at times, the Encyclicals that we have longed for but not received for over 60 years now ... more than the work of any other Traditional Catholic writer.

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #27 on: June 18, 2022, 12:30:24 PM »
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  • I re-read +Vigano's letter to Trump, which catapulted him into the public arena, and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it.  He describes the battle between light and darkness, without being binary about it, admitting that even though there's this division, many on the side of right in principle are beset with many sins and weaknesses.  He calls out the good things Trump did in favor of the unborn and against the persecutions of Christian, etc. ...

    +Vigano
    This "dare to believe" is basically saying:  "Trump, if you are in fact on the side of good, if there's something real behind all these good things you did, please realize that we're at war with evil and do the right thing."  He basically identifies those in the "Trump camp" to be -- generally or vaguely-speaking -- on the side of good, and is appealing to Trump to do the right thing.

    This is a terrific letter and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it ... except for a comment that could be read as giving play to the notion of "Religious Liberty".

    That is a lovely letter.
    It was written two years ago.
    Thousands of deaths have happened since then.
    Vigano recognizes this:

    "Let us have no illusions: these servants of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr who have managed to occupy the highest positions of national governments and international organizations are our enemies: enemies of the good and enemies of God. They do not care how many of us will have to die from the effects of the vaccine..."

    Trump has clearly shown himself to be what Vigano calls an enemy.  According to Vigano's own criteria, Trump is an enemy of the good and an enemy of God.  Trump does not care how many will have to die from the effects of the vaccine.  He still pushes them and wants credit for it.  He puts his name on the product and sells it.  He is a mass murderer.

    Instead of writing another lovely letter to Trump imploring for his "good side" to come out and save the babies and use his influence to stop the genocide

    Vigano continually excuses Trump and blames everyone else.  

    There is no excuse for that.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #28 on: June 18, 2022, 12:32:21 PM »
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  • I just wonder how much time any of us have left, the darkness grows denser by the day.
    I do believe by Christmas WWIII will be in full swing. 

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #29 on: June 18, 2022, 12:35:18 PM »
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  • All I know is that somehow Vigano’s cuмulative avalanche of words falls far short of the true Voice of the Shepherd. “My sheep hear My voice: and I know them, and they follow Me.” I don’t hear our Lord Jesus Christ speaking when I listen to Vigano. Just my opinion while I await the full revelation of the sons of God.

    Could it be that your Shepherd has goat horns and cloven hooves?

    I absolutely hear the good shepherd in all his works.  Those who don’t may be cursed by the devil for preferring tinkling cymbals, and left to their own misery.

    PS: Your final sentence is heretical and blasphemous. 

    Carry on!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."