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Title: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 17, 2022, 04:37:17 PM

Abp. Viganò: Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is using the WHO and the ‘Bergoglian church’ to advance its global coup

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‘We are being governed by members of a global lobby of criminal conspirators who tell us directly that their plan is to eliminate us, and the whole time we are sitting here wondering why we have to wear masks on buses and not in restaurants.’

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ-is-using-the-who-and-the-bergoglian-church-to-advance-its-global-coup/?utm_source=featured&utm_campaign=usa 



Armando Manocchia: Your Excellency, [Here in Italy] we are now in economic and financial bankruptcy, where the public debt is now over 2.7 billion euros. In my opinion the problem is the moral and ethical bankruptcy not only of the ruling class but also of a significant part of the population. What can we do to reconstruct a social fabric that includes an ethical and moral sense?

Archbishop Viganò: Bankruptcy is the inevitable result of multiple factors. The first is the transfer of the monetary sovereignty of individual nations to a supranational body such as the European Union. The European Central Bank is a private bank, lending money at interest rates to member states, forcing them into perpetual indebtedness. I recall, en passant, that the European Central Bank is officially owned by the Central Banks of the nations that are part of it; therefore, since the Central Banks are controlled by private companies, the ECB itself is essentially a private company, and acts as such.

The second factor is seigniorage, that is, the income that the Central Bank derives from the issuance of money on behalf of the state, which borrows with it not for the material cost of printing banknotes, but for their nominal value: a theft to the detriment of the community, because the money belongs to the citizens and not to a private subject composed of private banks.

The third factor lies in the economic and financial policy of the European Union, which imposes loans at interest by granting the funds that individual nations have previously paid. Italy, which is a net contributor, thus finds itself having to anticipate billions on which it not only does not receive interest, but which are returned to it for usury as if they were not its own.

The fourth factor is due to the wretched fiscal policies of recent [Italian] administrations, on the peremptory order of the Troika, namely the International Monetary Fund, the European Commission and the European Central Bank, which are official creditors of the member countries. The substantial tax exemption of large financial and business groups and the harassment of small businesses are the basis of the progressive impoverishment of the country and the failure of many activities, with the consequent increase in unemployment and the creation of cheap labor. And let’s not forget that it is always the European Union that imposes the so-called reforms, based on a false narrative – think of global warming or overpopulation – with the blackmail of the loans it has made to member countries: gender equality and other horrors have been introduced into national legislations without any consultation of citizens, indeed knowing full well that they were against it.
Finally, the subversive action of the U.N. Agenda 2030 – that is, the Great Reset of the World Economic Forum – has as its declared purpose the transfer of the wealth of nations and individuals to large investment funds managed by the globalist mafia. This subversive operation must be denounced and prosecuted by the magistrates, because it constitutes a true silent coup against the community.

I would, however, like to point out that the economic aspect is only one means of achieving far more worrying goals, such as total control of the world’s population and its enslavement: if citizens are deprived of home ownership; if they are prevented from having freedom of enterprise; if endemic unemployment is caused and increased by uncontrolled immigration and health emergencies, reducing labor costs; if Italians are harassed with exorbitant taxes; if the traditional family is penalized by making it practically impossible for two young people to marry and have children; if education is destroyed beginning in elementary school and the cultural vacuum is created by frustrating the talent of individuals; if the history of our native land is cancelled and the glorious heritage that made Italy great is denied in the name of inclusiveness and the renunciation of our national identity, what can one expect, if not a society without a future, without hopes, without the desire to fight and engage?

In order to rebuild the social fabric, it is essential first of all to have awareness of the coup d’état that is currently in progress, carried out with the complicity of those who rule and the entire political class. Understanding that we have been robbed of our inalienable rights by an international criminal organization is the first, indispensable step to take.
Once this is understood, especially by the healthy side of the institutions and the judiciary, it will be possible to try the traitors who made this silent coup possible, banishing them forever from the political scene. Obviously, Italy will have to regain its sovereignty, first of all by leaving the European Union.

A Manocchia: In this work of reconstruction, in which the Anti-Globalist Alliance you have initiated will play a decisive role, what will be the first initiatives to be launched?

Archbishop Viganò: It will be necessary to implement a far-sighted and wide-ranging project, which has as its purpose the intellectual, scientific, cultural, political and even religious formation of the future ruling class, endowing it with the capacity for critical judgment and firm moral references. Schools and foundations will have to be set up from which will emerge a ruling class of righteous citizens, honest rulers, and entrepreneurs who know how to reconcile the legitimate demands of profit with workers’ rights and consumer protection.

Those who hold public office, like every honest citizen, must be aware that they have responsibility before God for what they do, and that they must put the common good before personal interest, if they want to sanctify themselves in the role that the Lord has assigned to them and deserve paradise. We must educate children and young people in honesty, in a sense of duty and discipline, in the practice of the cardinal virtues as a coherent consequence of the theological virtues; in the responsibility of knowing that good and evil exist, and that our freedom consists in moving in the sphere of what is Good, because this is what God has willed for us. You are my friends, if you do what I command you, Our Lord said (Jn 15:14). And this also applies to public affairs, where morality has been replaced with corruption, seeking personal gain, the abuse of laws, the betrayal of citizens and cowardly enslavement to hostile powers. Let’s take an example from the allegory of good government, depicted by Ambrogio Lorenzetti in the halls of the Palazzo Comunale in Siena: we will find that simplicity of principles which inspired and guided the public authorities in the Italian municipalities [Comuni] of the fifteenth century.

A Manocchia: In Italy, the non-political culture of the last 50 years produced a corrupt ruling class, and now, perhaps precisely because of this, we have a totalitarian regime. Our beloved and wonderful country is undergoing the most negative effects in its history. It no longer seems to be a part of Europe or the West. The citizens, the individual people, no longer count for anything. Politicians first of all, then governments, and now entire nations are subservient to the diktats of the Globalist Agenda of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. In addition to the corruption mentioned above, is there any correlation with the fact that Italy was historically the cradle of Christianity and the center of the Catholic Church?

Archbishop Viganò: But it’s obvious! The globalist fury is especially impacting in a ruthless and cruel way the Catholic nations, against which it has continued to rage for centuries to erase their Faith, identity, culture and traditions. It is precisely the Catholic countries – Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland – that have suffered the most from the attack of the Masonic elite, which on the other hand favors the Protestant nations in which Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ has ruled unchallenged for centuries. With the French Revolution the Capetian Monarchy was destroyed; with the First World War the Austro-Hungarian Empire, also Catholic, was destroyed, as well as the Orthodox Russian Empire. With the Second World War the Savoy Monarchy was destroyed, which was first an accomplice of the so-called Risorgimento and then its victim. Regime change is not a recent innovation; quite the contrary!

There are countries that do not tolerate Catholic nations being prosperous and competitive, independent and at peace, because this would be proof that it is possible to be good Christians, to have good and just laws, fair taxes, pro-family policies, prosperity and peace. There must be no term of comparison. This is why they want not only the misery of the population, but also its corruption, the ugliness of vices, the cynical selfishness of profit, the enslavement to the lowest passions. A people healthy in soul and body, free, independent and proud of its identity is fearsome, because it does not easily renounce what it is and does not allow itself to be subdued without reacting. A people who honor Christ as their King know that their rulers see themselves as His vicars, and not as despots obedient to those who enrich them or empower them.

Let us not forget that the French Revolution wrested the royal crown from Jesus Christ, setting up the alleged “rights of man and of the citizen” against the sovereign rights of God. Rights that, freed from respect for the natural moral law, now include abortion, euthanasia (even of the poor, as is the case today in Canada), marriage with people of the same sex, marriage with animals, and even marriage with inanimate things (you got it right: there are proposals for laws approving these things made by the 5 Stelle[Italian political party]), gender theory, LGBTQ ideology and all the worst that a society without principles and without faith can claim. The secularism of the state is not a conquest of civilization, but rather a deliberate choice of barbarization of the social body, on which the supposed neutrality of the government with regard to religion is imposed, which in fact is a religious choice of militant and anti-Catholic atheism. And where the manipulation of the masses fails to force them to make certain “reforms,” the blackmail of EU funds takes over, given only to those who obey EU diktats. In essence, they first destroy the economy and take away national monetary sovereignty and decision-making autonomy in fiscal and economic matters, and then tie aid to the acceptance of a corrupt and selfish model of society in which no honest person would want to live. “Europe asks us to do it!” – that is, a lobby of technocrats not elected by anyone and which is inspired by principles totally irreconcilable with the natural law and with the Catholic Faith.

But if the deep state has moved to erase the Catholic religion from the public life of nations and from the private life of citizens, we ought to recognize that the deep church has also made its own contribution to this secularization, ever since the Second Vatican Council, to the point of endorsing secularism even though it was condemned by Blessed Pius IX and relegating the doctrine of the social Kingship of Christ to a symbolic and eschatological dimension. After sixty years of dialogue with the mentality of the world, Jesus Christ is no longer King even of the Catholic Church, while Bergoglio also renounces the title of His Vicar and prefers to pass his time playing with the Pachamama in St. Peter’s.

A Manocchia: The artfully created psycho-pandemic has produced psychosis, panic, terror, and physical and mental suffering that has left an indelible mark, severe social unrest, something that has never before occurred in such a way in human history. They have reduced man to a zombie. What is the message that can be conveyed in the face of this imposed conforming and formatting of the population?

Archbishop Viganò: You rightly used the term “formatting,” which in a certain sense recalls precisely the Great Reset inaugurated by the psycho-pandemia and which today continues with the war and energy emergency. We must ask ourselves what may have led entire nations to apostatize their Faith, to erase their identity without remorse, to forget their traditions, allowing themselves to be shaped on the model of the Anglo-Saxon idea of the melting pot. This question applies especially to our beloved Italy, disfigured by decades of ideological subordination on the one hand to the French left or Soviet Communism, and on the other to “Neo-Con” American Liberalism. Today we see that Chinese communism and globalist liberalism have merged together in the Davos World Economic Forum, threatening the whole world and our country in particular.

Of course, the Second World War created the conditions for the colonization of Italy, according to a consolidated model that we see still adopted today by NATO: destroy, bomb, and raze to the ground real or presumed dictatorships, in order to replace them with puppet regimes at the service of foreign interests. Rediscovering the pride of affirming one’s identity and sovereignty is an essential step for the redemption of Italy and the reconstruction of all that has been destroyed. That is why I consider that the model of multipolarity is an interesting prospect to combat the globalist Leviathan that today threatens us in all aspects of everyday life.

The defeat of the deep state by the healthy forces within the United States of America will be the premise for a peaceful coexistence of nations, without there being one nation that considers itself superior and legitimized to subjugate the others. This is why Donald Trump was ousted by electoral fraud from the Presidency of the United States, replacing him – yet another regime change – with a character so corrupt that he is unable to govern without being maneuvered.

A Manocchia: Can it be said that the West is in crisis because it rejects God and the natural law, and above all because it underestimates the value of life and has made a huge mistake from a moral, economic, and social point of view that has led to the current ethical drift and to moral decline?

Archbishop Viganò: I do not think we can speak of a “mistake;” it is rather a fraud, a betrayal carried out by those who, in positions of power, have guiltily decided to transform Italy into a colony partly of Germany (as far as economy), partly of France (as far as culture), partly of the United States (as far as international politics), and partly of the entire European Union (as far as fiscal policy and so-called reforms). We are always subservient to someone, despite the fact that our country has shown many times in history – in times that were much more difficult and troubled – that it can compete very well with great foreign powers.

The basic problem is that the governments we have had – since the Savoy Monarchy – have been completely manoeuvred by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, deciding on reforms, declaring wars, drawing borders and stipulating treaties always and only on the orders of the Lodges. Notoriously Masonic parliamentarians, Freemason ministers, Masonic university professors, primary Freemasons, senior Masonic officers, Freemason publishers and Freemason bishops have obeyed the oath of allegiance to the Grand Lodge and betrayed the interests of the Italian Nation. Today Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ avails itself of its “secular arm,” the Davos Forum, which sets the agenda for the United Nations, the աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռ, the European Union, the various “philanthropic” foundations, the political parties and the Bergoglian church.

But the fact that this coup d’état is so vast and branched does not imply that it is less real; indeed, the present situation is very serious precisely because it involves hundreds of nations that are in fact governed by a single elite group of criminal conspirators. On the other hand, there is no need to talk of “conspiracy theories”: just listen to what the main architect of the Great Reset, Klaus Schwab, said on May 23 while speaking at the Davos Forum: “The future is not built by itself: it is we [of the World Economic Forum] who will build the future. We have the means to impose the world we want. And we can do this by acting as a ‘stakeholder’ in the communities and collaborating with each other” (here (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1528682505217490950) and here (https://twitter.com/adriano72197026/status/1528825039075803136)).

The Ukrainian crisis is also part of this plan: “With the right narrative we will use the war to make you green.” Schwab’s advisor, Yuval Noah Harari – who sums up all the “talents” of the woke intellectual as an Israeli, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, vegan animal rights activist, who is anti-Putin and anti-Russian, as well as fiercely against Trump – went so far as to state shamelessly: “In ten years, everyone will have a brain implant and eternal life in the digital realm… Google and Microsoft will decide which book we should read, who to marry, where to work and who to vote for…” (here (https://twitter.com/LeylaRostami/status/1529078889120669702)). Harari is the author of various essays, including Sapiens. Da animali a dèi. Breve storia dell’umanità. [Sapiens. From Animals to Gods. A Brief History of Humanity] (2011) and of Homo Deus. Breve storia del futuro. [Homo Deus. A Brief History of the Future] (2015). It is the nonsensical raving of the transhuman man who thinks he can defeat death and make himself a god.
The fraud carried out against the Italian people was that of making them believe, beginning in the nineteenth century, that it was their will to free themselves from the yoke of the tyranny of the various pre-unification Italian states, under the aegis of the Piemontesi rulers who were obedient to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ; that it was their will to rebel against the authority of the legitimate Sovereigns in the name of “freedom,” without understanding that they would be subjected to much worse corrupt individuals; that it was their will to get rid of the Savoy Monarchy in the immediate post-war period in order to set up the Italian Republic in its place; that it was their will to join the European Union with the mirage of the Eldorado [that it would lead to wealth and prosperity], and then find out what deception all this represented. And who was behind these demands for freedom, democracy, progress? Always and only Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, with its servants infiltrated everywhere.

Perhaps the time has come for Italians to begin to decide their own future without it being dictated by full-blown traitors, and for traitors to be judged for what they are – criminal conspirators – ousting them forever from politics and from any possibility of interfering with the life of the country. Let the magistrates and the police remember that very soon those who supported this dictatorial regime will be considered a collaborator and condemned as such. A jolt of dignity and honor on their part right now would still be credible.

A Manocchia: Why does the West, so rich in history and culture, not consider the effects of this attitude which contradicts and denies the natural law? How is it possible for rational man to deny it?

Archbishop Viganò: Man is rational, yes. But he is also subject to the passions, to concupiscence, to the seductions of the world. Only in the life of supernatural grace is man helped by God to preserve himself in friendship with God and able to act in the good. But what has the much-celebrated movement of Romanticism taught us, if not that reason must yield to feeling and that the will cannot govern the passions, that “the heart is not commanded,” while in fact the opposite is true? Here too we see how, with operations of manipulation of the relatively banal masses – starting with Giuseppe Verdi, all opera and novels – the perception of moral duty in the people and in the bourgeoisie has been erased, replacing it with enslavement to irrationality and momentary passion, with all the damage that has followed.

At the origin of the denial of the natural law there is relativism, considering all ideas acceptable and legitimate, denying the existence of a transcendent principle inscribed in man by the Creator. History, culture, and art then become phenomena to be analyzed in a sociological or psychological key and are no longer what constitutes a civilization. But be careful: those who deny God as Creator and Redeemer do so not to allow those who are not Christians to practice their religion, but rather in order to prevent those who are Christians from shaping society according to the principles of social doctrine and the common good. Behind all this are people who hate Our Lord.

The question you ask me, Dr. Manocchia, should then be: “Why should Satan’s servants stop detesting everything that even remotely resembles Christ, since they have always done so?” To think that we can have a dialogue with an enemy who wants to destroy us is either irresponsible or criminal: there are enemies who must be defeated without any scruple since they are devoted to evil.

The fault of the West is to have believed the lies of the Revolution, – which was also a Great Reset – to have allowed itself to be dragged into a whirlpool of rebellion and apostasy, of violence and death. But isn’t that ultimately what happened to Adam and Eve when they let themselves be tempted by the Serpent? Even then Satan’s promise was patently false and mendacious, but Adam and Eve succuмbed to the tempter’s words – You will be like gods! – and they discovered that they had been deceived.

What did we Westerners think we could achieve by cutting off the heads of kings, nobles and prelates? What did we think could improve, with characters like Fouchet, Danton, Robespierre and the whole jumble of corrupt assassins that was supposed to replace those who were guillotined? Did any of us really think that allowing divorce was progress? Or that giving the mother the right to kill the child she carries in her womb was a conquest of freedom? Or that poisoning the elderly in their sleep or the sick or the poor is a sign of civilization? Is there anyone who is honestly convinced that the ostentation of the most abominable vices is a fundamental right, or that a person can change his sex, grotesquely modifying what Nature has already decided? Those who accept these horrors do so only because these horrors are imposed as a model of “civilization” and “progress,” and those who accept them want to follow the masses without standing out.

The problem is that contemporary man is the son of the Revolution, unconsciously indoctrinated into “political correctness,” to relativism, to the idea that there is no objective truth and that all ideas are equally acceptable. This disease of thought is the first cause of the success of the adversaries, because many people ally themselves with accepting their principles without understanding that it is precisely those ideas that have made it possible to transform our society [in such a destructive way].

Enslavement to the European Union – and its infernal ideology – was just one of the last steps by which Italy was given the coup de grace. That is why, when I hear praise for the Revolution, the declaration of human rights, the Enlightenment, the Risorgimento and the Expedition of the Thousand [a legendary patriotic moment in the history of Italian reunification in 1860], I shudder: globalism is the metastasis of all modern errors, which only the Church – from her very beginning – has known how to condemn with foresight. And in fact, if globalism has experienced an acceleration, we owe it precisely to the fact that since Vatican II the hierarchy has been transformed from being a sworn enemy of the Masonic conspiracy into its zealous ally.

A Manocchia: The West is undergoing a constant and unstoppable demographic decline, with all of the consequences that this entails. The current “Vulgate” maintains that it is a worrying phenomenon for humanity because it will cause greater poverty. Could demographic decline be the main cause of economic decline? This phenomenon does not seem to concern the governments of Western countries. Why is this so, in your opinion?

Archbishop Viganò: We know, by the explicit admission of the globalists, that their main purpose is to drastically reduce the world’s population. Italian Minister for Ecological Transition Roberto Cingolani – who coincidentally comes from the Leonardo [aerospace, defense and security] company – claims that the planet is “designed” for no more than three billion people. He should graciously explain to us how he proposes to eliminate the difference, and above all who has ever authorized him – along with his government, the European Union, the U.N., the WHO and the whole globalist mafia – to decide motu proprio to proceed in this direction with abortion, euthanasia, pandemics, experimental serums, wars, famines, and mass ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. Who appointed them “horsemen of the Apocalypse”? Who approved their project by popular vote, assuming that such a project could ever be proposed for approval by a nation’s citizens?

It does not surprise me, therefore, that Western leaders are not concerned about the falling birth rate, the data of which for our country is largely offset by the presence of many non-EU citizens, who are much more prolific than Italians. The decrease in population is the result of the premises that have been set precisely for this purpose, just as the lockdowns served to destroy the economy that had already been lain prostrate by competition from multinational corporations and unfair taxation. In short: we are being governed by members of a global lobby of criminal conspirators who tell us directly that their plan is to eliminate us, and the whole time we are sitting here wondering why we have to wear masks on buses and not in restaurants.

A Manocchia: Do those who do not accept nihilistic and neo-Malthusian theories, perhaps because they are faithful to the principles of Christianity, risk being removed from positions of power?

Archbishop Viganò: But it is obvious: those who do not support the psychopandemic narrative, gender theory, LGBTQ ideology, the collectivist liberalism of the WEF, the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, and the great universal religion are ostracized, delegitimized, and passed off as crazy or criminal. Any dissenting voice is uncomfortable when power is based on psychological violence and mass manipulation. It happens to the doctor who does not accept the Speranza [Italian health’s minister] protocols, to the teacher who does not discriminate against the unvaccinated, to the journalist who reports the truth about Ukrainian neo-nαzιs, to the parish priest who does not want to undergo inoculation, and to the cardinal who denounces the enslavement of the Vatican to the Chinese dictatorship.

A Manocchia: Speaking of life and the natural law also means talking about the backbone of society, the family. Apart from the declining birth rate, what are the consequences of the economic crisis on the family?

Archbishop Viganò: The family is certainly at the center of the globalists’ attack. Family means tradition, identity, faith, mutual help and support, and the transmission of principles and values. Family means father and mother, each with their own specific role, irreplaceable and not interchangeable, both in the mutual relationship between the spouses and also in the education of children, as well as towards the community. Family means lived religion, religion that is communicated through small gestures, good habits, the formation of conscience and moral sense.

You can well understand that striking at the family leads indefectibly to the dissolution of the social body, which by nature is incapable of replacing the role of the family. And so we have the following: divorce, abortion, same-sex marriage, adoption of children by single people or irregular couples, the deprivation of parental authority for ideological reasons, the elimination of grandparents and relatives from domestic life, working conditions for mothers that do not allow them to perform family tasks, penalization of women who are married or who have children when they seek employment, indoctrination of children beginning in elementary school. In this field too, courageous and determined action is needed for the defense of the natural family and for the protection of the rights of parents in the education of their children, who are not the property of the state.
+ Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 17, 2022, 05:17:32 PM

“To think that we can have a dialogue with an enemy who wants to destroy us is either irresponsible or criminal: there are enemies who must be defeated without any scruple since they are devoted to evil.“

Too bad Vigano wasn’t the SSPX Superior General.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 17, 2022, 05:38:27 PM

Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 17, 2022, 05:17:32 PM

Too bad Vigano wasn’t the SSPX Superior General.

No kidding.  Too bad that he isn't the Pope.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 06:59:50 PM

Somebody should tell him that Trump is a Freemason with kids who paid homage to the Rebbe Schneerson's grave for help with the election.

Trump names his mentors as 33 degree Freemason Norman Vincent Peele and despicable Roy Cohn.

Trump brought forth the Great Reset with the pandemic farce and his "Trumpcines".

Trump partied with Epstein and Maxwell for over 30 years.  He is listed on the Lolita Express log.

Trump approved of biometrics and pre-crime.

Trump ushered in 5G.

Despite thousands of deaths and millions of injuries, Trump is still pushing "His" shots and wants to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine".


Why would such an intelligent and well informed man continually make excuses for Trump?

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: bodeens on June 17, 2022, 08:34:26 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 06:59:50 PM

Somebody should tell him that Trump is a Freemason with kids who paid homage to the Rebbe Schneerson's grave for help with the election.

Trump names his mentors as 33 degree Freemason Norman Vincent Peele and despicable Roy Cohn.

Trump brought forth the Great Reset with the pandemic farce and his "Trumpcines".

Trump partied with Epstein and Maxwell for over 30 years.  He is listed on the Lolita Express log.

Trump approved of biometrics and pre-crime.

Trump ushered in 5G.

Despite thousands of deaths and millions of injuries, Trump is still pushing "His" shots and wants to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine".


Why would such an intelligent and well informed man continually make excuses for Trump?

Instead of continually judging Vigano's internal form maybe you should try as hard at contacting him.

Also, I never got a response as to why you won't hold sede/RnR/Indult clergy equally responsible for telling chapelgoers to vote for Trump. I never hear a peep out of you regarding this.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 09:12:27 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 06:59:50 PM

Somebody should tell him that Trump is a Freemason with kids who paid homage to the Rebbe Schneerson's grave for help with the election.

Trump names his mentors as 33 degree Freemason Norman Vincent Peele and despicable Roy Cohn.

Trump brought forth the Great Reset with the pandemic farce and his "Trumpcines".

Trump partied with Epstein and Maxwell for over 30 years.  He is listed on the Lolita Express log.

Trump approved of biometrics and pre-crime.

Trump ushered in 5G.

Despite thousands of deaths and millions of injuries, Trump is still pushing "His" shots and wants to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine".


Why would such an intelligent and well informed man continually make excuses for Trump?

People can downvote all they want, but these are questions they should be asking themselves since Vigano poses as an expert on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  Do you think Vigano knows anything about the Rebbe Schneerson (Moshiach) and Chabad?  A good Catholic leader should know.

Haven't we learned by now to question supposed heroes who end up being wolves in sheep's clothing?  Shouldn't we be noticing the red flags?

Vigano is well versed in all things NWO and calls out Soros and the Rothschilds.  

He should know that both Soros and the Rothschilds bailed out Trump with billions when his casino and other businesses failed.  Do you think they forget about favors given?

If Trump defied the deepstate and protected American interests then  why are his products and Ivanka's products manufactured and shipped from China?

Why does Vigano insist over and over that Trump has nothing to do with the "Deepstate"?   In fact, Vigano believed that Trump is so ignorant of the "Deepstate" that he had to warn him about it.

Somebody should tell Vigano who Epstein is and show him the many photos of Trump and Epstein partying over the years.  Tump calls him a great friend and says that Epstein loves beautiful women as much as he does and "I'll tell you something else...he likes them young!"

That's disgusting.  

Perhaps if somebody shared this information with Vigano he would seek to distance himself from Trump.  I don't know why Vigano can't find it and I can.  He seems to have the inside scoop on everyone else.

Why does Vigano decry those leaders who push the deadly shots but excuses deadly shot pusher Trump?  Why did he lie and say the "pandemic farce could have never happened under Trump" when in fact it did?   

A good Catholic leader would call out mass murderer Trump for his "Trumpcines" which are killing thousands of innocent people. They would urge Trump to use his influence to stop the genocide before they kill and maim the babies!   Instead, Vigano lies to cover for him.  

Just keep in mind that MAGA means sorceress and the "MAGA" level is the highest level of initiation in pagan witchcraft.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: epiphany on June 17, 2022, 09:19:12 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 09:12:27 PM

People can downvote all they want, but these are questions they should be asking themselves since Vigano poses as an expert on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  Do you think Vigano knows anything about the Rebbe Schneerson (Moshiach) and Chabad?  A good Catholic leader should know.

Haven't we learned by now to question supposed heroes who end up being wolves in sheep's clothing?  Shouldn't we be noticing the red flags?

Vigano is well versed in all things NWO and calls out Soros and the Rothschilds. 

He should know that both Soros and the Rothschilds bailed out Trump with billions when his casino and other businesses failed.  Do you think they forget about favors given?

If Trump defied the deepstate and protected American interests then  why are his products and Ivanka's products manufactured and shipped from China?

Why does Vigano insist over and over that Trump has nothing to do with the "Deepstate"?  In fact, Vigano believed that Trump is so ignorant of the "Deepstate" that he had to warn him about it.

Somebody should tell Vigano who Epstein is and show him the many photos of Trump and Epstein partying over the years.  Tump calls him a great friend and says that Epstein loves beautiful women as much as he does and "I'll tell you something else...he likes them young!"

That's disgusting. 

Perhaps if somebody shared this information with Vigano he would seek to distance himself from Trump.  I don't know why Vigano can't find it and I can.  He seems to have the inside scoop on everyone else.

Why does Vigano decry those leaders who push the deadly shots but excuses deadly shot pusher Trump?  Why did he lie and say the "pandemic farce could have never happened under Trump" when in fact it did? 

A good Catholic leader would call out mass murderer Trump for his "Trumpcines" which are killing thousands of innocent people. They would urge Trump to use his influence to stop the genocide before they kill and maim the babies!  Instead, Vigano lies to cover for him. 

Just keep in mind that MAGA means sorceress and the "MAGA" level is the highest level of initiation in pagan witchcraft.

It takes time to learn the truth.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 09:27:23 PM

Quote from: bodeens on June 17, 2022, 08:34:26 PM

Instead of continually judging Vigano's internal form maybe you should try as hard at contacting him.

Also, I never got a response as to why you won't hold sede/RnR/Indult clergy equally responsible for telling chapelgoers to vote for Trump. I never hear a peep out of you regarding this.

How would I contact him?  Isn't he in hiding?

All clergy, Catholics, Republicans, Awaken America Rally attendees should withdraw their support from Trump.  I'm trying to wake people up.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 09:31:21 PM

Quote from: epiphany on June 17, 2022, 09:19:12 PM

It takes time to learn the truth.

Well that may be, but at this point the evidence is in.  Vigano knows the shots are deadly and decries the leaders pushing them

yet still supports Trump.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: epiphany on June 17, 2022, 09:35:59 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 09:31:21 PM

Well that may be, but at this point the evidence is in.  Vigano knows the shots are deadly and decries the leaders pushing them

yet still supports Trump.

So do many here.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Incredulous on June 17, 2022, 10:24:04 PM

The Vigano interview was comprised of 17 Pages with 4,674 words.

None of these 4,674 words, were "Jєω", "тαℓмυd", "Opus Die" or "Zionism".

If trads want to believe Vigano is a credible critic of the "Bergolian church" and the "global coup"  why is he afraid to say these words?

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: bodeens on June 17, 2022, 11:13:09 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 09:27:23 PM

How would I contact him?  Isn't he in hiding?

All clergy, Catholics, Republicans, Awaken America Rally attendees should withdraw their support from Trump.  I'm trying to wake people up.

Oh really? Why would he be in hiding if he is in cahoots with NWO?

Who on this forum is pro Trump?

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 11:42:42 PM

Quote from: bodeens on June 17, 2022, 11:13:09 PM

Oh really? Why would he be in hiding if he is in cahoots with NWO?

Who on this forum is pro Trump?

I don't know.  

All I know is that when I heard that Vigano was warning Trump about the deep state I thought,

"Umm...I'm pretty sure Trump already knows quite a bit about the deep state.  He's been partying with Epstein for 30 years now."

But whatever, people were all gung ho about Trump as our savior and wouldn't listen about the dangers of the gene editing shots.

I wondered what Vigano would do when people started to die from the Operation Warpspeed "Trumpcines" and Trump kept pushing them wanting to be called "The Father of the Vaccine".

Would Vigano admit he made a mistake supporting Trump?

Will he distance himself from Trump?

Would he tell Trump to stop the genocide?

Surely he will have to, right?

After two years now and thousands dead...

Nope.

Instead he continues to support Trump and even lies for him.

Whaaaaa?  I couldn't believe it.

But what concerned me even more is that there aren't any bloggers or others who even recognize this.  Trads poured over his every letter and they didn't even notice that he lied.



Apart from that I always keep in mind:


(https://i.imgur.com/Xo50t8B.png)

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Donachie on June 18, 2022, 12:39:53 AM

... and in proportion to what?

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Donachie on June 18, 2022, 12:41:36 AM

The Moon that goes the wrong way and in the wrong time ... according to the Bank of England and ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA, for example?

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: 2Vermont on June 18, 2022, 06:13:44 AM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 11:42:42 PM

I don't know. 

All I know is that when I heard that Vigano was warning Trump about the deep state I thought,

"Umm...I'm pretty sure Trump already knows quite a bit about the deep state.  He's been partying with Epstein for 30 years now."

But whatever, people were all gung ho about Trump as our savior and wouldn't listen about the dangers of the gene editing shots.

I wondered what Vigano would do when people started to die from the Operation Warpspeed "Trumpcines" and Trump kept pushing them wanting to be called "The Father of the Vaccine".

Would Vigano admit he made a mistake supporting Trump?

Will he distance himself from Trump?

Would he tell Trump to stop the genocide?

Surely he will have to, right?

After two years now and thousands dead...

Nope.

Instead he continues to support Trump and even lies for him.

Whaaaaa?  I couldn't believe it.

But what concerned me even more is that there aren't any bloggers or others who even recognize this.  Trads poured over his every letter and they didn't even notice that he lied.



Apart from that I always keep in mind:


(https://i.imgur.com/Xo50t8B.png)

Miser,

I personally don't care about Trump, but I do think you have valid questions.  So does Incredulous.  So have I over the last couple of years. 
 
But... if there's one thing I've learned here is that one may not be critical of Vigano.  People get very defensive and accusatory. 

He's said some good things, but he's also said some concerning things. And, as you and Incredulous have pointed out, there are things he just doesn't say.  As such, I'm still not convinced that he's all that he's cracked up to be.

Time will tell.  I just wonder how much time he's got left.  

  

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: richard on June 18, 2022, 07:32:25 AM

Quote from: 2Vermont on June 18, 2022, 06:13:44 AM

Miser,

I personally don't care about Trump, but I do think you have valid questions.  So does Incredulous.  So have I over the last couple of years.
 
But... if there's one thing I've learned here is that one may not be critical of Vigano.  People get very defensive and accusatory.

He's said some good things, but he's also said some concerning things. And, as you and Incredulous have pointed out, there are things he just doesn't say.  As such, I'm still not convinced that he's all that he's cracked up to be.

Time will tell.  I just wonder how much time he's got left. 

 

I just wonder how much time any of us have left, the darkness grows denser by the day.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Simeon on June 18, 2022, 08:15:44 AM

To: Miser Peccator

You are absolutely correct on all counts.

There is something deeply wrong with Vigano. There is a grave disconnect. Note the telling omissions brought up by Incred, and consider them in light of his Trump-lust.

Trump IS chabad. Trump IS deep state. Trump IS "great reset," which simply means that Christianity is taken out of the world, and paganism's dominion is restored.

The combination of telling omissions and unwholesome allegiances is a very clear indication of Vigano's inherent dishonesty and unworthiness.

Furthermore, the fact that he so prolifically publishes "from hiding" smacks of farce.

Vigano is yet another psy op for the traddie goy.

I will note one other thing. Lifesite news is the USA platform for Vigano. It is worse than novus ordo. It is judaic. Prominently featured on Lifesite is none other than Rosalind Moss, so called "Mother Miriam," a judaizer-in-drag. I forced myself to listen to some of her disgusting schmaltz, just to make sure. Yup, she's up to her old, EWTN-days, judaizing tricks. And she's also got a false-narrative, sensationalist, prepper schtick to boot. Another kosher psy op.  

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 09:00:31 AM

Quote from: Simeon on June 18, 2022, 08:15:44 AM

There is something deeply wrong with Vigano.

Nonsense.  There's nothing "deeply" wrong with him.  As many Traditional Catholics, they were fooled into thinking that Trump was on some level a "good guy".  I hold that Trump is a con-artist, but at the same time this is just my gut feel based on my interpretation of circuмstantial evidence, and I have no actual proof, and I do not fault any of the Trad Catholics who voted for him and supported him.  There's also some evidence that he was not totally under their control, where he went off script, such as when he was promoting hydroxychloroquine ... and yet was easily manipulated by the Jєωs who surrounded him, like Kushner and quite a few of is cabinet.  For the most part, whether or not he was a conscious agent of the JWO, he wasn't particularly bright.  He also had very poor judgment about people ... as he had to fire nearly his entire original cabinet over time, and in the end was on record saying that he misjudged Pence and regretted selecting him as a running mate.  He was also deeply driven by his (almost delusional and certainly puerile) ego, and therefore easily manipulated that way.  Such types are easily manipulated by the right kind of flattery or "sucking up" ... I've known a few of these over the years, and you can definitely lead them around by their egos if you wanted to.  I also think he was morally corrupt in his personal life, and rather perverted.  He was very likely himself and Epstein customer.  Given that Epstein was collecting information in order to blackmail people, there's a good chance the Jєωs could control him with the threat of releasing videos of him raping Epstein's young girls.  It's very likely that, in the final analysis, he was a conflicted and mixed up guy, with personal vice mixed in, and yet with some goodness buried deep inside somewhere ... not entirely unlike a Mel Gibson.

Nor was +Vigano primarily focused on Trump, but rather on the types of people who were "Trump supporters."  And even today Trump supporters boo Trump in public when he talks about the jab.  +Vigano has been by far one of the most outspoken opponents of the jab, so he is being falsely accused by the obsessive-compulsve Miser of condoning it due to his appeals to Trump and Trump supporters.  Perhaps +Vigano detected also that deep down in Trump there was SOME goodness, and he was trying to appeal to that and draw it out of Trump.  In fact, the one letter he wrote to Trump could very well be read as precisely that attempt to influence Trump by appealing to his ego that I spoke of regarding how egotists are easily manipulated that way.  Trump tweeted out that letter.  But, also, by addressing Trump, +Vigano very shrewdly gained a lot of publicity in public, where even non-Catholic forums were all over his letter and praising him for it.  So he got the ear of the general public that way.

Miser, did you ever answer the question I asked earlier about whether you voted for Trump in 2016?

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 18, 2022, 09:10:17 AM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 09:00:31 AM

Nonsense.  There's nothing "deeply" wrong with him.  As many Traditional Catholics, they were fooled into thinking that Trump was on some level a "good guy".  I hold that Trump is a con-artist, but at the same time this is just my gut feel based on my interpretation of circuмstantial evidence, and I have no actual proof, and I do not fault any of the Trad Catholics who voted for him and supported him.  There's also some evidence that he was not totally under their control, where he went off script, such as when he was promoting hydroxychloroquine ... and therefore easily manipulated by the Jєωs who surrounded him, like Kushner and quite a few of is cabinet.  For the most part, whether or not he was a conscious agent of the JWO, he wasn't particularly bright.  Nor was +Vigano primarily focused on Trump, but rather on the types of people who were "Trump supporters."  And eve today Trump supporters boo Trump in public when he talks about the jab.

Miser, did you ever answer the question I asked earlier about whether you voted for Trump in 2016?

Great post, and perfectly correct.

Here’s Trump getting booed for telling a crowd to get vaxed (just one of many such occurrences: Was he doing this deliberately to circuмvent censorship, and show the American public how unpopular the Vax was?  Usually, if a politician knows he’s going to get booed, he wouldn’t incite that reaction):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2OUwj93fU2Q

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 09:16:08 AM

Yeah, and in that video, I really think that Trump is again being 1) manipulated and 2) driven by his ego, with perhaps the manipulators using his ego (so 1 and 2 in tandem).  At some point he was persuaded that the jab would bring an end to the COVID crisis and save lives, and that he could pin his "legacy" on the jab ... that's why he wanted to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine [that saved America and the world]".  He was all proud of his Operation Warp Speed.  He wanted to hang his (egoistic) hat on saving the world from COVID.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: PAT317 on June 18, 2022, 09:22:16 AM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 09:00:31 AM

Nor was +Vigano primarily focused on Trump, but rather on the types of people who were "Trump supporters." 

An important distinction. 

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 09:26:03 AM

I re-read +Vigano's letter to Trump, which catapulted him into the public arena, and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it.  He describes the battle between light and darkness, without being binary about it, admitting that even though there's this division, many on the side of right in principle are beset with many sins and weaknesses.  He calls out the good things Trump did in favor of the unborn and against the persecutions of Christian, etc. ...

+Vigano

Quote

For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

This "dare to believe" is basically saying:  "Trump, if you are in fact on the side of good, if there's something real behind all these good things you did, please realize that we're at war with evil and do the right thing."  He basically identifies those in the "Trump camp" to be -- generally or vaguely-speaking -- on the side of good, and is appealing to Trump to do the right thing.

This is a terrific letter and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it ... except for a comment that could be read as giving play to the notion of "Religious Liberty".

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 09:32:29 AM

There's a difference between saying that people make mistakes and that they're "deeply (aka radically) flawed".  Archbishop Lefebvre made quite a few mistakes and IMO got some things wrong, but he was not deeply flawed.  We're all human and we make mistakes.  Even if +Vigano has made a mistake or two here or there, mistakes in judgment, that does not warrant the excoriation of him that I have seen here on CI.  It's absolutely unwarranted and comes from a dark place.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Simeon on June 18, 2022, 12:20:40 PM

To: Lad

Regarding my comment that there is something “deeply wrong” with Vigano, I would explain that I have compared Vigano to the objective image many have in mind of him – namely a candidate for the Papal Office. Everything anyone on this thread has said about him, falls into the category of opinion. We await a more certain revelation of his true nature. It is my opinion that Vigano does not speak with the voice of the Shepherd of Souls, but rather with a weak facsimile of that voice. My opinion of him as deeply flawed is bound up with my sense of him as being projected onto the public mind as “papal.” Were he not so projected, my opinion of him might be simply that he says some helpful things and some harmful things. It is by virtue of the image being projected, that I have used the predication “deeply wrong.”

Like you, I have no animus towards anyone who either voted for Trump or who thinks Vigano is “papal.” My own gut tells me that Vigano is not the answer for the Church. I cannot surmise why he has talked so much about Trump, and even aligned his rhetoric somewhat with Trump’s rhetoric. All I know is that somehow Vigano’s cuмulative avalanche of words falls far short of the true Voice of the Shepherd. “My sheep hear My voice: and I know them, and they follow Me.” I don’t hear our Lord Jesus Christ speaking when I listen to Vigano. Just my opinion while I await the full revelation of the sons of God.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 12:23:40 PM

There's a huge difference between asserting that he would not make a good pope (and I disagree) ... and quite another to say that there's something "deeply wrong" with him.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 12:25:14 PM

Quote from: Simeon on June 18, 2022, 12:20:40 PM

I don’t hear our Lord Jesus Christ speaking when I listen to Vigano.

And many of us do.  His writing reads like Encyclicals at times, the Encyclicals that we have longed for but not received for over 60 years now ... more than the work of any other Traditional Catholic writer.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 12:30:24 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 09:26:03 AM

I re-read +Vigano's letter to Trump, which catapulted him into the public arena, and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it.  He describes the battle between light and darkness, without being binary about it, admitting that even though there's this division, many on the side of right in principle are beset with many sins and weaknesses.  He calls out the good things Trump did in favor of the unborn and against the persecutions of Christian, etc. ...

+Vigano
This "dare to believe" is basically saying:  "Trump, if you are in fact on the side of good, if there's something real behind all these good things you did, please realize that we're at war with evil and do the right thing."  He basically identifies those in the "Trump camp" to be -- generally or vaguely-speaking -- on the side of good, and is appealing to Trump to do the right thing.

This is a terrific letter and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it ... except for a comment that could be read as giving play to the notion of "Religious Liberty".

That is a lovely letter.
It was written two years ago.
Thousands of deaths have happened since then.
Vigano recognizes this:

"Let us have no illusions: these servants of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr who have managed to occupy the highest positions of national governments and international organizations are our enemies: enemies of the good and enemies of God. They do not care how many of us will have to die from the effects of the vaccine..."

Trump has clearly shown himself to be what Vigano calls an enemy.  According to Vigano's own criteria, Trump is an enemy of the good and an enemy of God.  Trump does not care how many will have to die from the effects of the vaccine.  He still pushes them and wants credit for it.  He puts his name on the product and sells it.  He is a mass murderer.

Instead of writing another lovely letter to Trump imploring for his "good side" to come out and save the babies and use his influence to stop the genocide

Vigano continually excuses Trump and blames everyone else.  

There is no excuse for that.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Donan on June 18, 2022, 12:32:21 PM

Quote from: richard on June 18, 2022, 07:32:25 AM

I just wonder how much time any of us have left, the darkness grows denser by the day.

I do believe by Christmas WWIII will be in full swing. 

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 18, 2022, 12:35:18 PM

Quote from: Simeon on June 18, 2022, 12:20:40 PM

All I know is that somehow Vigano’s cuмulative avalanche of words falls far short of the true Voice of the Shepherd. “My sheep hear My voice: and I know them, and they follow Me.” I don’t hear our Lord Jesus Christ speaking when I listen to Vigano. Just my opinion while I await the full revelation of the sons of God.

Could it be that your Shepherd has goat horns and cloven hooves?

I absolutely hear the good shepherd in all his works.  Those who don’t may be cursed by the devil for preferring tinkling cymbals, and left to their own misery.

PS: Your final sentence is heretical and blasphemous. 

Carry on!

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 12:36:45 PM

Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 18, 2022, 09:10:17 AM

Great post, and perfectly correct.

Here’s Trump getting booed for telling a crowd to get vaxed (just one of many such occurrences: Was he doing this deliberately to circuмvent censorship, and show the American public how unpopular the Vax was?  Usually, if a politician knows he’s going to get booed, he wouldn’t incite that reaction):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2OUwj93fU2Q

They boo him for murdering their fellow countrymen but they will still vote for him.
Insanity.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 18, 2022, 12:38:29 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 12:30:24 PM

That is a lovely letter.
It was written two years ago.
Thousands of deaths have happened since then.
Vigano recognizes this:

"Let us have no illusions: these servants of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr who have managed to occupy the highest positions of national governments and international organizations are our enemies: enemies of the good and enemies of God. They do not care how many of us will have to die from the effects of the vaccine..."

Trump has clearly shown himself to be what Vigano calls an enemy.  According to Vigano's own criteria, Trump is an enemy of the good and an enemy of God.  Trump does not care how many will have to die from the effects of the vaccine.  He still pushes them and wants credit for it.  He puts his name on the product and sells it.  He is a mass murderer.

Instead of writing another lovely letter to Trump imploring for his "good side" to come out and save the babies and use his influence to stop the genocide

Vigano continually excuses Trump and blames everyone else. 

There is no excuse for that.

Miser-

You didn’t mention the Jєωs a single time in that post!

What more proof does Incred need that you’re a Marrano opus Dei shill!

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 12:41:13 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 12:36:45 PM

They boo him for murdering their fellow countrymen but they will still vote for him.
Insanity.

You didn't answer the question of whether you voted for Trump in either 2016 and/or 2020.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Simeon on June 18, 2022, 12:54:39 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 12:25:14 PM

And many of us do.  His writing reads like Encyclicals at times, the Encyclicals that we have longed for but not received for over 60 years now ... more than the work of any other Traditional Catholic writer.

I certainly do not insist that my opinion is correct. If, in fact, he is what you see, then may God increase him. If he has been appointed by God for a goodly work in the Church, then I do believe God will make things ever more clear, so that it will be easier for everyone to discern. And so we wait......

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 01:23:01 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 12:41:13 PM

You didn't answer the question of whether you voted for Trump in either 2016 and/or 2020.

I see. 

Instead of focusing on Vigano and his continued support for a mass murderer

let's change the subject and focus on the whistleblower.

I didn't vote for Trump in either election and tried to warn people about him.  I don't blame people for being fooled by him. 

However at this point, there is no excuse for supporting him any more.

Catholics cannot support pro-abortion politicians and likewise cannot support abortion tainted genodical gene editing shot promoting politicians.

I hope that Vigano will admit it was a mistake to support Trump and call on him to use his influence to save some of the children and babies before it's too late.

That's what a good Catholic leader would do.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 01:30:04 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 09:26:03 AM

I re-read +Vigano's letter to Trump, which catapulted him into the public arena, and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it.  He describes the battle between light and darkness, without being binary about it, admitting that even though there's this division, many on the side of right in principle are beset with many sins and weaknesses.  He calls out the good things Trump did in favor of the unborn and against the persecutions of Christian, etc. ...

+Vigano
This "dare to believe" is basically saying:  "Trump, if you are in fact on the side of good, if there's something real behind all these good things you did, please realize that we're at war with evil and do the right thing."  He basically identifies those in the "Trump camp" to be -- generally or vaguely-speaking -- on the side of good, and is appealing to Trump to do the right thing.

This is a terrific letter and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it ... except for a comment that could be read as giving play to the notion of "Religious Liberty".

What is the "side of good" Vigano is looking for here?

Did Trump "do the right thing"?

According to Vigano's own criteria, no.  Trump did not do the right thing.  Trump is on the side of darkness.  

So it makes no sense for Vigano to continue to support him.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 02:22:09 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 01:30:04 PM

So it makes no sense for Vigano to continue to support him.

How does he "continue to support" him?  Even that letter was not so much unequivocal support as it was an appeal for him to do the right thing.  Your assertion that because +Vigano doesn't regularly condemn Trump, that's tantamount to support is ridiculous.  I recall on the other thread where you excoriated him for not condemning Trump, but in the letter he made no mention of US politics at all, mostly wrote about the Church and some stuff in Italy.  You're basically criticizing him for not condemning Trump in every other sentence of his writing.  He doesn't mention him much any more because ... Trump has become entirely irrelevant.  That would be like criticizing me for not attacking Obama with every post that I make.  If Trump runs again in 2024, and +Vigano endorsed him without qualification, then get back to me.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 02:26:49 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 01:23:01 PM

I see. 

Instead of focusing on Vigano and his continued support for a mass murderer

let's change the subject and focus on the whistleblower.

I'm not changing any subject.  That is the subject, whether a well-intentioned Catholic might mistakenly have supported Trump and not deserve constant recriminations over it ... and therefore have his very orthodoxy held under suspicion.

Demonstrate where +Vigano continues to support Trump.  As I just posted, you attacked him for not condemning Trump in a recent letter he wrote, a letter which hardly mentioned US politics at all.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: bodeens on June 18, 2022, 04:29:03 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 11:42:42 PM

I don't know. 

All I know is that when I heard that Vigano was warning Trump about the deep state I thought,

"Umm...I'm pretty sure Trump already knows quite a bit about the deep state.  He's been partying with Epstein for 30 years now."

But whatever, people were all gung ho about Trump as our savior and wouldn't listen about the dangers of the gene editing shots.

I wondered what Vigano would do when people started to die from the Operation Warpspeed "Trumpcines" and Trump kept pushing them wanting to be called "The Father of the Vaccine".

Would Vigano admit he made a mistake supporting Trump?

Will he distance himself from Trump?

Would he tell Trump to stop the genocide?

Surely he will have to, right?

After two years now and thousands dead...

Nope.

Instead he continues to support Trump and even lies for him.

Whaaaaa?  I couldn't believe it.

But what concerned me even more is that there aren't any bloggers or others who even recognize this.  Trads poured over his every letter and they didn't even notice that he lied.



Apart from that I always keep in mind:


(https://i.imgur.com/Xo50t8B.png)

Lol yeah, Vigano is so controlled they can't just kill him and silence all opposition like they do in the VII sect. You realize the absurdity of your position? Frankie would love to send Vigano to a monastery and shut him up forever. Some of his opponents within the VII hierarchy would materially benefit from whistleblowers like Vigano being dead.

Lenin, Hitler and Mao's controlled opposition never fundamentally undermined their positions. I'm not buying this argument at all, when we get antipope Tagle or Cupich I am going to be further vindicated and your position is going to seem even more unhinged.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: songbird on June 18, 2022, 05:25:18 PM

IMO Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is not using the WHO or the church (like catholic charities).  No one is twisting any ones arms to take the money.  It is the federal grants, our money, given freely to those entities,  who "choose" to take it and implement the agenda of Communism ideology.

Catholic Charities for example 65% of their income, comes from federal grants.  The other 35% come from the peoples pockets (For every 1$ Federal grants give More$$$ some times $1 to $10.  Catholic charities lost its soul if it ever had one.  We should know by now that the counterfeit  church is a happy pig in mud.  No one is forced to take the money. No one is forced to take on the ideology of communism.  Entities freely choose and do it.  Then we wonder why we are in this mess!

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 05:58:42 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 02:26:49 PM

I'm not changing any subject.  That is the subject, whether a well-intentioned Catholic might mistakenly have supported Trump and not deserve constant recriminations over it ... and therefore have his very orthodoxy held under suspicion.

Demonstrate where +Vigano continues to support Trump.  As I just posted, you attacked him for not condemning Trump in a recent letter he wrote, a letter which hardly mentioned US politics at all.

I've stated several times I don't blame people for getting fooled by Trump.  

However, now that the body count is in there is no longer any excuse.

Perhaps when Vigano initially gave support to Trump he didn't understand that the pandemic was a farce and that Operation Warpspeed was about to unleash an abortion tainted gene editing genocide.  He should have done his homework, but we'll let that pass.

Now he knows.

"Oh, Trump is just a bumbling idiot and didn't know..."  

Well Biden is a bumbling idiot.  Should he be held responsible?  Vigano holds Biden and all the other bumbling idiots pushing the death shots responsible.  All the others except for one:  Trump

"The Buck Stops Here."

The results are in.  The shots are killing people.  Trump wants credit.  Trump is still pushing the shots.

I knew at some point it would become clear that the shots are killing people and Vigano would have to own up to his mistake.

If you publicly support a candidate you feel a certain responsibility for how they turn out.

If I were Vigano I would admit it was a mistake to support Trump and plead with him---trying to draw out that goodness you mentioned---to stop the genocide.  

I've been wondering for two years now when Vigano would distance himself from Trump and admit his mistake but he didn't say much until the last few letters.

Well he finally spoke out on Trump in April.

What did he say?

Did he tell the Awaken America Rally that we were fooled by Trump and his pandemic farce and the Operation Warpspeed death shots and they should run Trump's son off that stage and out of town? 

No.

He lied and said that in order to advance the Great Reset they had to remove Trump from office because the pandemic farce would have never taken place under him and blames it all on Biden.

The pandemic farce did take place under him.  That's why we have a gene editing shot killing people right now.

He reassured the crowd that Trump is still their legitimate president. 

Why would that make them feel better?  Why would anyone want the "Father of the Vaccine" as president?  Vigano apparently.

So he excludes Trump from the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr leaders saying that the Great Reset would have never taken place under Trump and goes on to define who the bad nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr leaders are:

"Let us have no illusions: these servants of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr who have managed to occupy the highest positions of national governments and international organizations are our enemies: enemies of the good and enemies of God. They do not care how many of us will have to die from the effects of the vaccine..."

Trump is a servant of the nwo who managed to occupy the highest position of national government and is our enemy.  He doesn't care how many will die from the shots.  He is the enemy of the good and enemy of God according to Vigano's own definition.   Vigano contradicts himself and continually excuses Trump.

He only says good things about Trump and never anything bad.

On May 22 Vigano spoke about Trump again.  Do you think he will  support or denounce Trump?  

Support.

Instead of saying that Trump should have never funded Operation Warpspeed and thrust experimental death shots on the world, he praises Trump for defunding the WHO which didn't amount to anything.  He says it was because of this that poor Trumpy was removed from office by the real bad guys.  

Subsequent letters called out the leaders of the nwo but failed to include Trump.  He speaks as an expert on all involved but never names the leader of the most powerful country in the world who brought about the pandemic farce and death shots giving birth to the Great Reset.  He speaks about Rothschilds and Soros and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ all of which have ties to Trump but for some reason he doesn't make the connection.

That brings us to yesterday.  Support or denounce?

Support:

"The defeat of the deep state by the healthy forces within the United States of America will be the premise for a peaceful coexistence of nations, without there being one nation that considers itself superior and legitimized to subjugate the others. This is why Donald Trump was ousted by electoral fraud from the Presidency of the United States, replacing him – yet another regime change – with a character so corrupt that he is unable to govern without being maneuvered."

Once again...Trump is not a part of the deep state.  Trump had to be removed since he was holding back the deep state (while getting those shots pumped into arms).  Poor Trump is a victim.  

Do you see a pattern here?

So yes, he is continually supporting the Father of the Vaccine and excusing him and even lying for him.


















 

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 06:03:56 PM

Quote from: bodeens on June 18, 2022, 04:29:03 PM

Lol yeah, Vigano is so controlled they can't just kill him and silence all opposition like they do in the VII sect. You realize the absurdity of your position? Frankie would love to send Vigano to a monastery and shut him up forever. Some of his opponents within the VII hierarchy would materially benefit from whistleblowers like Vigano being dead.

Lenin, Hitler and Mao's controlled opposition never fundamentally undermined their positions. I'm not buying this argument at all, when we get antipope Tagle or Cupich I am going to be further vindicated and your position is going to seem even more unhinged.

I don't know if Vigano is controlled opposition. 

I do know that over and over again that is how the powers that shouldn't be have operated, so that's something I keep in mind.

I do know that Vigano should stop making excuses for Trump and should call him out for continuing to push the genocide.

I don't know why he doesn't but it's a huge red flag.

I'm not responsible for the next antipope.

I'm just telling people to take notice of Vigano's actions.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 18, 2022, 06:07:11 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 06:03:56 PM

I don't know if Vigano is controlled opposition. 

I do know that over and over again that is how the powers that shouldn't be have operated, so that's something I keep in mind.

I do know that Vigano should stop making excuses for Trump and should call him out for continuing to push the genocide.

I don't know why he doesn't but it's a huge red flag.

I'm not responsible for the next antipope.

I'm just telling people to take notice of Vigano's actions.

She’s in a rut, and triggered.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 06:10:11 PM

Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 18, 2022, 06:07:11 PM

She’s in a rut, and triggered.

Well you're welcome to your opinion about me.

Emotionally charged ad hominems are a way to avoid looking at the facts.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 06:12:47 PM

All this is predicated on your as-yet-undemonstrated claim that +Vigano supports Trump unequivocally.  So far the closest thing I saw was an APPEAL to Trump to do the right thing against the enemies of all that is good.  He called out the good things he did, and he did "dare hope" that he was on the side of good.

Demonstrate where +Vigano supports Donald Trump.  Thus far you just (as Sean put it well) get triggered every time you see him write something that doesn't condemn Trump (even if what he writes mentions no one in US politics).  I'm guessing that you just have some animosity toward +Vigano for his one carefully-worded letter to Trump and do literally get triggered every time you see something written by him.

You've had a compulsive obsession about the jab and have been posting about nothing else for probably a year now.  Time to move on.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Simeon on June 18, 2022, 06:16:05 PM

To Miser Peccator:

You are doing a magnificent job of stating the obvious. 

But your argument fails because it states the obvious. 

Anything goes in this sick world, except that one should state the obvious.

I think I am in the minority, but I do enjoy your posts on this thread. 

Pax et bonum!

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 06:29:46 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 06:12:47 PM

All this is predicated on your as-yet-undemonstrated claim that +Vigano supports Trump unequivocally.  So far the closest thing I saw was an APPEAL to Trump to do the right thing against the enemies of all that is good.  He called out the good things he did, and he did "dare hope" that he was on the side of good.

Demonstrate where +Vigano supports Donald Trump.  Thus far you just (as Sean put it well) get triggered every time you see him write something that doesn't condemn Trump (even if what he writes mentions no one in US politics).  I'm guessing that you just have some animosity toward +Vigano for his one carefully-worded letter to Trump and do literally get triggered every time you see something written by him.

You've had a compulsive obsession about the jab and have been posting about nothing else for probably a year now.  Time to move on.

Excusing Trump from being a foundational part of the Great Reset is supporting him.

Lying and saying that the pandemic farce would have never taken place under Trump is supporting him.

Praising him for his good actions and never acknowledging his genocidal actions is supporting him.

He does write about US politics blaming everything on Biden as if the pandemic farce and genocide began with him when it didn't.

Providing facts and evidence is not "getting triggered".

Animosity?  I'm not a fan of presidents who murder their own people or those who make excuses for them.

There is a genocide going on.  That is important to discuss.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 06:29:46 PM

Excusing Trump from being a foundational part of the Great Reset is supporting him.

So you're exposed as making up garbage and slandering +Vigano.

And do you have proof that Trump is in fact a "foundational part of the Great Reset"?  While it's possible, there's no proof for that.  Trump could just be a childish egotistical buffoon that was manipulated by people one way or another.  Prove otherwise.  And demonstrate where +Vigano excused Trump.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 06:45:34 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

So you're exposed as making up garbage and slandering +Vigano.

And do you have proof that Trump is in fact a "foundational part of the Great Reset"?  While it's possible, there's no proof for that.  Trump could just be a childish egotistical buffoon that was manipulated by people one way or another.  Prove otherwise.  And demonstrate where +Vigano excused Trump.

Lol...

Operation Warpspeed.  Pandemic Farce.  The buck stops with him.

At this point this is a foolish and ignorant debate so I'll bid you good day.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 07:17:52 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 06:45:34 PM

Lol...

Operation Warpspeed.  Pandemic Farce.  The buck stops with him.

At this point this is a foolish and ignorant debate so I'll bid you good day.

Yes, please leave.  And seek help.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Incredulous on June 18, 2022, 11:37:22 PM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 18, 2022, 06:03:56 PM

I don't know if Vigano is controlled opposition. 

I do know that over and over again that is how the powers that shouldn't be have operated, so that's something I keep in mind.

I do know that Vigano should stop making excuses for Trump and should call him out for continuing to push the genocide.

I don't know why he doesn't but it's a huge red flag.

I'm not responsible for the next antipope.

I'm just telling people to take notice of Vigano's actions.

Miser Peccator,

For your reference, shortly before the 2020 Presidential election, Vigano stated that the crypto-Jєω, Donald Trump was the last hope for Western Civilization. 

  And people on this forum believed him.... and all the other BS Q Anon and Trump were feeding them :facepalm:

   And now, Trads on this forum actually think Vigano is a miraculous Novus ordo convert.  An apostolic trad-shepherd, who doesn't know Trump is a flaming pro-Mossad/Israeli Jєω.

  Now, just remember:  When Vigano fulfills his Opus Die mission, and when it's obvious he was "playing" the Catholic remnant, his Cathinfo supporters, will slink away and never admit they were bamboozled.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: alaric on June 19, 2022, 06:50:11 AM

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 17, 2022, 06:59:50 PM

Somebody should tell him that Trump is a Freemason with kids who paid homage to the Rebbe Schneerson's grave for help with the election.

Trump names his mentors as 33 degree Freemason Norman Vincent Peele and despicable Roy Cohn.

Trump brought forth the Great Reset with the pandemic farce and his "Trumpcines".

Trump partied with Epstein and Maxwell for over 30 years.  He is listed on the Lolita Express log.

Trump approved of biometrics and pre-crime.

Trump ushered in 5G.

Despite thousands of deaths and millions of injuries, Trump is still pushing "His" shots and wants to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine".


Why would such an intelligent and well informed man continually make excuses for Trump?

You missed a few like him bragging he's the biggest "gαy" supporter than any other administration, biggest supporter of Israel and the Jєωs and the fact that while he didn't do much to push the abortion agenda, he didn't really attack the availability of infanticide either, the biggest thing he did was to show up at the March for Life in D.C., that was a start I guess. He also hobnobbed with some of the most deplorable politicians like the Clintons too.

His biggest blunder in my opinion, was pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal and assasinating the Iranian general and national  hero Soleimani, a terrible decision that really came back to haunt him. also the strikes in Syria, more useless sabre rattling for Israel against a good man in Assad fighting against American-Israeli backed terrorists ISIS.


I could go on with the negative on the Trumpster, but there's also a long list of positives, including calling China out on trade fairness and equity, pulling out of the WHO, super economy, building the wall on the border, etc, etc.


At the end of the day, it was no brainer in supporting him for reelection over  the NO-BRAIN Brandon.

We all see where that has gotten us.

And I don't go for this " don't choose the lesser of two evils" nonsense, we do this every day in life.

We all don't like to make certain choices, trust me, I'm not a big Trump-guy, but it's called survival.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: alaric on June 19, 2022, 07:04:24 AM

I don't get this knocking Vigano, people complain about pope woke, the vatican fag mafia  and the nwo all the time and then when someone ACTUALLY does come out and attack it, then they're nothing but a bunch of phonys.

just like Putin fighting Davos and the corrupt, collective West.......

It's all " Ooh, don't believe them, they're false opposition and really pawns for the Jєωs and nwo!"

Even if that's true, then as opposed to what? At least SOMEBODY'S doing SOMETHING!

So as far Vigano, Putin or even Trump being wolf's in sheep's clothing ( although, that's the point, they're NOT being sheep), please, let me know when your Catholic monarch, crusader or messiah is out there and going to come and save the day for not only tradition, the Church but mankind in general. Because the only "catholics" out there in charge are failing miserably or , like Peℓσѕι, biden and the rest of the self addressed  "catholic" clowns, downright despicable and total tools of the Jєω world order.

Right now, you have NO ONE in Catholic-dom leading the charge against anything.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: PAT317 on June 19, 2022, 08:14:42 AM

Quote from: alaric on June 19, 2022, 07:04:24 AM

... please, let me know when your Catholic monarch, crusader or messiah is out there and going to come and save the day for not only tradition, the Church but mankind in general. ...

When the Great Catholic Monarch & the restoration pope come, the same people will probably say they are controlled opposition.  ::)   

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 19, 2022, 06:23:28 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on June 18, 2022, 11:37:22 PM

Miser Peccator,

For your reference, shortly before the 2020 Presidential election, Vigano stated that the crypto-Jєω, Donald Trump was the last hope for Western Civilization.

  And people on this forum believed him.... and all the other BS Q Anon and Trump were feeding them :facepalm:

  And now, Trads on this forum actually think Vigano is a miraculous Novus ordo convert.  An apostolic trad-shepherd, who doesn't know Trump is a flaming pro-Mossad/Israeli Jєω.

  Now, just remember:  When Vigano fulfills his Opus Die mission, and when it's obvious he was "playing" the Catholic remnant, his Cathinfo supporters, will slink away and never admit they were bamboozled.

Well, it's easy to get fooled these days.  All the more reason to stay on our toes and look out for red flags.

Trump is the last hope for Western Civilization?  (https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/zW5cgL9HfLsUybRi_fuUQChiE9jHq5MVVuoVvJ5FQ7dwOsFKTH1d31OcuZXWtn3dt41fqsrONJdOxG6wUIU0GdBCHzdT4NHq=s0-d-e1-ft#https://www.cathinfo.com/Smileys/classic/facepalm.gif)


That doesn't sound like a Catholic.  That is not what any good Catholic should believe.

A Freemason President of a Freemasonic country?

A president who signed an executive order on anti-Semitism.  And by anti-Semitism they mean anti-Zionism:


"Jared Kushner published an Op-Ed in the Times in which he stressed that the definition of anti-Semitism used in the executive order “makes clear what our administration has stated publicly on the record: Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

The Real Purpose of Trump’s Executive Order on Anti-Semitism
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-real-purpose-of-trumps-executive-order-on-anti-semitism

Vigano took part in an ecuмenical Jericho prayer march to support Trump.

Here is the advertisement description of that event:

Quote

Jericho March™ is comprised of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians [sic] collectively praying to God to intercede, expose a particular darkness, and bring about justice. As a community of believers, we take our petitions to heaven, and we know that our mighty and powerful God answers and can move mountains.

Jericho was a city of false gods and corruption. Just as Joshua was instructed to march around the walls of Jericho, Jericho Marchers march around at a specific place and time until that darkness is exposed and the walls of corruption fall down.

The Jericho Marches are also a unified celebration of authentic and diverse ʝʊdɛօ-Christian forms [of] worship including praying, chanting, preaching, singing, rosary recitations, Eucharistic processions, and blowing shofars. Individuals and groups on Jericho Marches are self-led.

Those are clearly Masonic principles.  

NOW exposes Vigano's promotion of Pelagianism, Indifferentism and "Freedom of Worship" in his address to Trump and the March:

https://novusordowatch.org/2020/06/heresy-naturalism-in-vigano-letter-to-president-trump/ (https://novusordowatch.org/2020/06/heresy-naturalism-in-vigano-letter-to-president-trump/)




Listen to what the WEF states about the plan for the NWO:

"...  a peaceful coexistence of nations, without there being one nation that considers itself superior and legitimized to subjugate the others."

The US will no longer be a super power and all nations will be equal.

Are Catholic countries superior to others?

Contrast that with this statement:

"That in our times, especially the Catholic faith and the Christian religion be exalted and be everywhere increased and spread, that the health of souls be cared for, and that barbarous nations be overthrown and brought to the faith itself."  Pope Nicholas V 

The Papal Bulls further stated that

non Christians should be "Subjugated — and brought to the faith."

Now that is what a Traditional Catholic Pope sounds like.

That sounds like the Great Monarch and the last great hope for Western Civilization before the curtain of Godless paganism and darkness closes on us all!



So actually...I have to confess...

that modernist NWO statement about the peaceful coexistence of equal nations I quoted above is not from the WEF. 

It's not from the UN.

It's from Vigano's letter in the OP.

Who does Vigano say would have brought about this peaceful coexistence of equal nations? 

Trump.

"The defeat of the deep state by the healthy forces within the United States of America will be the premise for a peaceful coexistence of nations, without there being one nation that considers itself superior and legitimized to subjugate the others. This is why Donald Trump was ousted by electoral fraud from the Presidency of the United States..."

Trump would have realized this peaceful coexistence of equal nations if only he hadn't been ousted by the deep state?

Scary.

Beware the savior that comes to save the day after the destruction.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 19, 2022, 06:26:33 PM

Quote from: alaric on June 19, 2022, 07:04:24 AM

I don't get this knocking Vigano, people complain about pope woke, the vatican fag mafia  and the nwo all the time and then when someone ACTUALLY does come out and attack it, then they're nothing but a bunch of phonys.

just like Putin fighting Davos and the corrupt, collective West.......

It's all " Ooh, don't believe them, they're false opposition and really pawns for the Jєωs and nwo!"

Even if that's true, then as opposed to what? At least SOMEBODY'S doing SOMETHING!

So as far Vigano, Putin or even Trump being wolf's in sheep's clothing ( although, that's the point, they're NOT being sheep), please, let me know when your Catholic monarch, crusader or messiah is out there and going to come and save the day for not only tradition, the Church but mankind in general. Because the only "catholics" out there in charge are failing miserably or , like Peℓσѕι, biden and the rest of the self addressed  "catholic" clowns, downright despicable and total tools of the Jєω world order.

Right now, you have NO ONE in Catholic-dom leading the charge against anything.

Don't expect any man to come and save you. 

The remnant has to find a way to survive outside of the surveillance Internet of Things.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Incredulous on June 19, 2022, 06:42:34 PM

Quote from: alaric on June 19, 2022, 07:04:24 AM

Right now, you have NO ONE in Catholic-dom leading the charge against anything.

Bingo!  And you're acknowledging this while we're on an "SSPX Resistance" forum.

Where's the resistance?  Is it Vigano? 


Now, in reality, we're surrounded.  We don't need Vigano tracts or even +W's EC's for consolation.

We Catholics need to face the hard reality of mass martyrdom coming our way.

Study the Cristeros War.  That will prepare you mentally and spiritually.

Mexican Catholics were the bravest in the Americas.
They had nothing but stood up and fought the Freemasonic Mexican government.

By the time it was over 90,000 had died, including 4,000 priests.

A Prayer of the Cristeros of Jalisco

Elaine M. Jordan

The Cristeros movement was a counter-revolutionary reaction of the Mexican Catholic people to the severe anticlerical laws emanating from the Constitution of 1917 under President Calles. It sought to secularize the country and remove the influence of the Catholic Church. Laws were enacted that severely restricted the clergy's political activities, expelled foreign priests, closed the Catholic schools and seized Church properties. Later, churches were closed and the Mass forbidden.  The popular uprising against the Calles government began in Jalisco in the city of Guadalajara, on August 3, 1926, when some 400 armed Catholics shut themselves up in the Church of Our Lady of Guadalupe. They were involved in a shootout with federal troops and surrendered only when they ran out of ammunition. Jalisco became a focal point of the Cristeros counter-revolution. The Cristeros' battle cry was ¡Viva Cristo Rey! ¡Viva la Virgen de Guadalupe! ("Long live Christ the King! Long live the Virgin of Guadalupe!").  The prayer below was said by the Cristeros of Jalisco at the end of the Rosary. Quote My Jesus Mercy! My sins are more numerous than the drops of blood that Thou did shed for me. I do not deserve to belong to the army that defends the rights of Thy Church and that fights for her. I desire never to sin again so that my life might be an offering pleasing to Thy eyes. Wash away my iniquities and cleanse me of my sins. By Thy Holy Cross, by my Holy Mother of Guadalupe, pardon me.  Since I do not know how to make penance for my sins, I desire to receive death as a chastisement merited by them. I do not wish to fight, live or die except for Thee and for Thy Church. Blessed Mother of Guadalupe, be at my side in the agony of this poor sinner. Grant that my last shout on earth and my first canticle in Heaven should be Viva Cristo Rey! Amen (https://www.traditioninaction.org/History/HistImages/B_012_Mass_Jalisco.jpg) Cristeros present arms to Our Lord at a Mass said in southern Jalisco

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Incredulous on June 19, 2022, 10:18:17 PM

Quote from: PAT317 on June 19, 2022, 08:14:42 AM

When the Great Catholic Monarch & the restoration pope come, the same people will probably say they are controlled opposition.  ::) 

:laugh1:       Well, we’re obliged to discern what they do and say.

My bet is we will immediately know they are authentic by their holiness.

And they will speak clearly…

a “yes” means “yes” and “no” = “no”…. and they won’t be timid to speak about the Jєωs and their minions.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Emile on June 19, 2022, 10:28:56 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on June 19, 2022, 06:42:34 PM

Quote My Jesus Mercy! My sins are more numerous than the drops of blood that Thou did shed for me. I do not deserve to belong to the army that defends the rights of Thy Church and that fights for her. I desire never to sin again so that my life might be an offering pleasing to Thy eyes. Wash away my iniquities and cleanse me of my sins. By Thy Holy Cross, by my Holy Mother of Guadalupe, pardon me.  Since I do not know how to make penance for my sins, I desire to receive death as a chastisement merited by them. I do not wish to fight, live or die except for Thee and for Thy Church. Blessed Mother of Guadalupe, be at my side in the agony of this poor sinner. Grant that my last shout on earth and my first canticle in Heaven should be Viva Cristo Rey! Amen (https://www.traditioninaction.org/History/HistImages/B_012_Mass_Jalisco.jpg) Cristeros present arms to Our Lord at a Mass said in southern Jalisco

Thank you for posting this prayer, Incred, it's beautiful.

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: bodeens on June 19, 2022, 10:34:00 PM

A+ on the penance part of that prayer, that is fantastic

Title: Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
Post by: Mark 79 on June 22, 2022, 10:41:20 PM

Quote from: songbird on June 18, 2022, 05:25:18 PM

IMO …

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