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Offline Miser Peccator

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Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2022, 12:36:45 PM »
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  • Great post, and perfectly correct.

    Here’s Trump getting booed for telling a crowd to get vaxed (just one of many such occurrences: Was he doing this deliberately to circuмvent censorship, and show the American public how unpopular the Vax was?  Usually, if a politician knows he’s going to get booed, he wouldn’t incite that reaction):



    They boo him for murdering their fellow countrymen but they will still vote for him.
    Insanity.

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #31 on: June 18, 2022, 12:38:29 PM »
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  • That is a lovely letter.
    It was written two years ago.
    Thousands of deaths have happened since then.
    Vigano recognizes this:

    "Let us have no illusions: these servants of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr who have managed to occupy the highest positions of national governments and international organizations are our enemies: enemies of the good and enemies of God. They do not care how many of us will have to die from the effects of the vaccine..."

    Trump has clearly shown himself to be what Vigano calls an enemy.  According to Vigano's own criteria, Trump is an enemy of the good and an enemy of God.  Trump does not care how many will have to die from the effects of the vaccine.  He still pushes them and wants credit for it.  He puts his name on the product and sells it.  He is a mass murderer.

    Instead of writing another lovely letter to Trump imploring for his "good side" to come out and save the babies and use his influence to stop the genocide

    Vigano continually excuses Trump and blames everyone else. 

    There is no excuse for that.

    Miser-

    You didn’t mention the Jєωs a single time in that post!

    What more proof does Incred need that you’re a Marrano opus Dei shill!
    Disagreeing with Ladislaus is heretical and blasphemous!


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #32 on: June 18, 2022, 12:41:13 PM »
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  • They boo him for murdering their fellow countrymen but they will still vote for him.
    Insanity.

    You didn't answer the question of whether you voted for Trump in either 2016 and/or 2020.

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #33 on: June 18, 2022, 12:54:39 PM »
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  • And many of us do.  His writing reads like Encyclicals at times, the Encyclicals that we have longed for but not received for over 60 years now ... more than the work of any other Traditional Catholic writer.
    I certainly do not insist that my opinion is correct. If, in fact, he is what you see, then may God increase him. If he has been appointed by God for a goodly work in the Church, then I do believe God will make things ever more clear, so that it will be easier for everyone to discern. And so we wait......

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #34 on: June 18, 2022, 01:23:01 PM »
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  • You didn't answer the question of whether you voted for Trump in either 2016 and/or 2020.
    I see. 

    Instead of focusing on Vigano and his continued support for a mass murderer

    let's change the subject and focus on the whistleblower.

    I didn't vote for Trump in either election and tried to warn people about him.  I don't blame people for being fooled by him. 

    However at this point, there is no excuse for supporting him any more.

    Catholics cannot support pro-abortion politicians and likewise cannot support abortion tainted genodical gene editing shot promoting politicians.

    I hope that Vigano will admit it was a mistake to support Trump and call on him to use his influence to save some of the children and babies before it's too late.

    That's what a good Catholic leader would do.



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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #35 on: June 18, 2022, 01:30:04 PM »
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  • I re-read +Vigano's letter to Trump, which catapulted him into the public arena, and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it.  He describes the battle between light and darkness, without being binary about it, admitting that even though there's this division, many on the side of right in principle are beset with many sins and weaknesses.  He calls out the good things Trump did in favor of the unborn and against the persecutions of Christian, etc. ...

    +Vigano
    This "dare to believe" is basically saying:  "Trump, if you are in fact on the side of good, if there's something real behind all these good things you did, please realize that we're at war with evil and do the right thing."  He basically identifies those in the "Trump camp" to be -- generally or vaguely-speaking -- on the side of good, and is appealing to Trump to do the right thing.

    This is a terrific letter and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it ... except for a comment that could be read as giving play to the notion of "Religious Liberty".

    What is the "side of good" Vigano is looking for here?

    Did Trump "do the right thing"?

    According to Vigano's own criteria, no.  Trump did not do the right thing.  Trump is on the side of darkness.  

    So it makes no sense for Vigano to continue to support him.

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #36 on: June 18, 2022, 02:22:09 PM »
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  • So it makes no sense for Vigano to continue to support him.

    How does he "continue to support" him?  Even that letter was not so much unequivocal support as it was an appeal for him to do the right thing.  Your assertion that because +Vigano doesn't regularly condemn Trump, that's tantamount to support is ridiculous.  I recall on the other thread where you excoriated him for not condemning Trump, but in the letter he made no mention of US politics at all, mostly wrote about the Church and some stuff in Italy.  You're basically criticizing him for not condemning Trump in every other sentence of his writing.  He doesn't mention him much any more because ... Trump has become entirely irrelevant.  That would be like criticizing me for not attacking Obama with every post that I make.  If Trump runs again in 2024, and +Vigano endorsed him without qualification, then get back to me.

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #37 on: June 18, 2022, 02:26:49 PM »
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  • I see. 

    Instead of focusing on Vigano and his continued support for a mass murderer

    let's change the subject and focus on the whistleblower.

    I'm not changing any subject.  That is the subject, whether a well-intentioned Catholic might mistakenly have supported Trump and not deserve constant recriminations over it ... and therefore have his very orthodoxy held under suspicion.

    Demonstrate where +Vigano continues to support Trump.  As I just posted, you attacked him for not condemning Trump in a recent letter he wrote, a letter which hardly mentioned US politics at all.


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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #38 on: June 18, 2022, 04:29:03 PM »
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  • I don't know. 

    All I know is that when I heard that Vigano was warning Trump about the deep state I thought,

    "Umm...I'm pretty sure Trump already knows quite a bit about the deep state.  He's been partying with Epstein for 30 years now."

    But whatever, people were all gung ho about Trump as our savior
    and wouldn't listen about the dangers of the gene editing shots.

    I wondered what Vigano would do when people started to die from the Operation Warpspeed "Trumpcines" and Trump kept pushing them wanting to be called "The Father of the Vaccine".

    Would Vigano admit he made a mistake supporting Trump?

    Will he distance himself from Trump?

    Would he tell Trump to stop the genocide?

    Surely he will have to, right?

    After two years now and thousands dead...

    Nope.

    Instead he continues to support Trump and even lies for him.

    Whaaaaa?  I couldn't believe it.

    But what concerned me even more is that there aren't any bloggers or others who even recognize this.  Trads poured over his every letter and they didn't even notice that he lied.



    Apart from that I always keep in mind:



    Lol yeah, Vigano is so controlled they can't just kill him and silence all opposition like they do in the VII sect. You realize the absurdity of your position? Frankie would love to send Vigano to a monastery and shut him up forever. Some of his opponents within the VII hierarchy would materially benefit from whistleblowers like Vigano being dead.

    Lenin, Hitler and Mao's controlled opposition never fundamentally undermined their positions. I'm not buying this argument at all, when we get antipope Tagle or Cupich I am going to be further vindicated and your position is going to seem even more unhinged.
    "We dare not even start to hope until the Faith, the true Faith, and its revealed content, are secured in our minds. Only in terms of Faith do we dare to hope."

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #39 on: June 18, 2022, 05:25:18 PM »
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  • IMO Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is not using the WHO or the church (like catholic charities).  No one is twisting any ones arms to take the money.  It is the federal grants, our money, given freely to those entities,  who "choose" to take it and implement the agenda of Communism ideology.

    Catholic Charities for example 65% of their income, comes from federal grants.  The other 35% come from the peoples pockets (For every 1$ Federal grants give More$$$ some times $1 to $10.  Catholic charities lost its soul if it ever had one.  We should know by now that the counterfeit  church is a happy pig in mud.  No one is forced to take the money. No one is forced to take on the ideology of communism.  Entities freely choose and do it.  Then we wonder why we are in this mess!




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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #40 on: June 18, 2022, 05:58:42 PM »
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  • I'm not changing any subject.  That is the subject, whether a well-intentioned Catholic might mistakenly have supported Trump and not deserve constant recriminations over it ... and therefore have his very orthodoxy held under suspicion.

    Demonstrate where +Vigano continues to support Trump.  As I just posted, you attacked him for not condemning Trump in a recent letter he wrote, a letter which hardly mentioned US politics at all.
    I've stated several times I don't blame people for getting fooled by Trump.  

    However, now that the body count is in there is no longer any excuse.

    Perhaps when Vigano initially gave support to Trump he didn't understand that the pandemic was a farce and that Operation Warpspeed was about to unleash an abortion tainted gene editing genocide.  He should have done his homework, but we'll let that pass.

    Now he knows.

    "Oh, Trump is just a bumbling idiot and didn't know..."  

    Well Biden is a bumbling idiot.  Should he be held responsible?  Vigano holds Biden and all the other bumbling idiots pushing the death shots responsible.  All the others except for one:  Trump

    "The Buck Stops Here."

    The results are in.  The shots are killing people.  Trump wants credit.  Trump is still pushing the shots.

    I knew at some point it would become clear that the shots are killing people and Vigano would have to own up to his mistake.

    If you publicly support a candidate you feel a certain responsibility for how they turn out.

    If I were Vigano I would admit it was a mistake to support Trump and plead with him---trying to draw out that goodness you mentioned---to stop the genocide.  

    I've been wondering for two years now when Vigano would distance himself from Trump and admit his mistake but he didn't say much until the last few letters.

    Well he finally spoke out on Trump in April.

    What did he say?

    Did he tell the Awaken America Rally that we were fooled by Trump and his pandemic farce and the Operation Warpspeed death shots and they should run Trump's son off that stage and out of town? 

    No.

    He lied and said that in order to advance the Great Reset they had to remove Trump from office because the pandemic farce would have never taken place under him and blames it all on Biden.

    The pandemic farce did take place under him.  That's why we have a gene editing shot killing people right now.

    He reassured the crowd that Trump is still their legitimate president. 

    Why would that make them feel better?  Why would anyone want the "Father of the Vaccine" as president?  Vigano apparently.

    So he excludes Trump from the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr leaders saying that the Great Reset would have never taken place under Trump and goes on to define who the bad nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr leaders are:

    "Let us have no illusions: these servants of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr who have managed to occupy the highest positions of national governments and international organizations are our enemies: enemies of the good and enemies of God. They do not care how many of us will have to die from the effects of the vaccine..."

    Trump is a servant of the nwo who managed to occupy the highest position of national government and is our enemy.  He doesn't care how many will die from the shots.  He is the enemy of the good and enemy of God according to Vigano's own definition.   Vigano contradicts himself and continually excuses Trump.

    He only says good things about Trump and never anything bad.

    On May 22 Vigano spoke about Trump again.  Do you think he will  support or denounce Trump?  

    Support.

    Instead of saying that Trump should have never funded Operation Warpspeed and thrust experimental death shots on the world, he praises Trump for defunding the WHO which didn't amount to anything.  He says it was because of this that poor Trumpy was removed from office by the real bad guys.  

    Subsequent letters called out the leaders of the nwo but failed to include Trump.  He speaks as an expert on all involved but never names the leader of the most powerful country in the world who brought about the pandemic farce and death shots giving birth to the Great Reset.  He speaks about Rothschilds and Soros and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ all of which have ties to Trump but for some reason he doesn't make the connection.

    That brings us to yesterday.  Support or denounce?

    Support:

    "The defeat of the deep state by the healthy forces within the United States of America will be the premise for a peaceful coexistence of nations, without there being one nation that considers itself superior and legitimized to subjugate the others. This is why Donald Trump was ousted by electoral fraud from the Presidency of the United States, replacing him – yet another regime change – with a character so corrupt that he is unable to govern without being maneuvered."

    Once again...Trump is not a part of the deep state.  Trump had to be removed since he was holding back the deep state (while getting those shots pumped into arms).  Poor Trump is a victim.  

    Do you see a pattern here?

    So yes, he is continually supporting the Father of the Vaccine and excusing him and even lying for him.


















     






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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #41 on: June 18, 2022, 06:03:56 PM »
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  • Lol yeah, Vigano is so controlled they can't just kill him and silence all opposition like they do in the VII sect. You realize the absurdity of your position? Frankie would love to send Vigano to a monastery and shut him up forever. Some of his opponents within the VII hierarchy would materially benefit from whistleblowers like Vigano being dead.

    Lenin, Hitler and Mao's controlled opposition never fundamentally undermined their positions. I'm not buying this argument at all, when we get antipope Tagle or Cupich I am going to be further vindicated and your position is going to seem even more unhinged.

    I don't know if Vigano is controlled opposition. 

    I do know that over and over again that is how the powers that shouldn't be have operated, so that's something I keep in mind.

    I do know that Vigano should stop making excuses for Trump and should call him out for continuing to push the genocide.

    I don't know why he doesn't but it's a huge red flag.

    I'm not responsible for the next antipope.

    I'm just telling people to take notice of Vigano's actions.







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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #42 on: June 18, 2022, 06:07:11 PM »
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  • I don't know if Vigano is controlled opposition. 

    I do know that over and over again that is how the powers that shouldn't be have operated, so that's something I keep in mind.

    I do know that Vigano should stop making excuses for Trump and should call him out for continuing to push the genocide.

    I don't know why he doesn't but it's a huge red flag.

    I'm not responsible for the next antipope.

    I'm just telling people to take notice of Vigano's actions.

    She’s in a rut, and triggered.
    Disagreeing with Ladislaus is heretical and blasphemous!

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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #43 on: June 18, 2022, 06:10:11 PM »
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  • She’s in a rut, and triggered.

    Well you're welcome to your opinion about me.

    Emotionally charged ad hominems are a way to avoid looking at the facts.


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    Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
    « Reply #44 on: June 18, 2022, 06:12:47 PM »
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  • All this is predicated on your as-yet-undemonstrated claim that +Vigano supports Trump unequivocally.  So far the closest thing I saw was an APPEAL to Trump to do the right thing against the enemies of all that is good.  He called out the good things he did, and he did "dare hope" that he was on the side of good.

    Demonstrate where +Vigano supports Donald Trump.  Thus far you just (as Sean put it well) get triggered every time you see him write something that doesn't condemn Trump (even if what he writes mentions no one in US politics).  I'm guessing that you just have some animosity toward +Vigano for his one carefully-worded letter to Trump and do literally get triggered every time you see something written by him.

    You've had a compulsive obsession about the jab and have been posting about nothing else for probably a year now.  Time to move on.