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Author Topic: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry  (Read 10986 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2022, 09:16:08 AM »
Yeah, and in that video, I really think that Trump is again being 1) manipulated and 2) driven by his ego, with perhaps the manipulators using his ego (so 1 and 2 in tandem).  At some point he was persuaded that the jab would bring an end to the COVID crisis and save lives, and that he could pin his "legacy" on the jab ... that's why he wanted to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine [that saved America and the world]".  He was all proud of his Operation Warp Speed.  He wanted to hang his (egoistic) hat on saving the world from COVID.

Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2022, 09:22:16 AM »

Nor was +Vigano primarily focused on Trump, but rather on the types of people who were "Trump supporters." 

An important distinction. 


Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2022, 09:26:03 AM »
I re-read +Vigano's letter to Trump, which catapulted him into the public arena, and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it.  He describes the battle between light and darkness, without being binary about it, admitting that even though there's this division, many on the side of right in principle are beset with many sins and weaknesses.  He calls out the good things Trump did in favor of the unborn and against the persecutions of Christian, etc. ...

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For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

This "dare to believe" is basically saying:  "Trump, if you are in fact on the side of good, if there's something real behind all these good things you did, please realize that we're at war with evil and do the right thing."  He basically identifies those in the "Trump camp" to be -- generally or vaguely-speaking -- on the side of good, and is appealing to Trump to do the right thing.

This is a terrific letter and there's absolutely nothing objectionable about it ... except for a comment that could be read as giving play to the notion of "Religious Liberty".

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2022, 09:32:29 AM »
There's a difference between saying that people make mistakes and that they're "deeply (aka radically) flawed".  Archbishop Lefebvre made quite a few mistakes and IMO got some things wrong, but he was not deeply flawed.  We're all human and we make mistakes.  Even if +Vigano has made a mistake or two here or there, mistakes in judgment, that does not warrant the excoriation of him that I have seen here on CI.  It's absolutely unwarranted and comes from a dark place.

Re: +Vigano Starting to Get Angry
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2022, 12:20:40 PM »
To: Lad

Regarding my comment that there is something “deeply wrong” with Vigano, I would explain that I have compared Vigano to the objective image many have in mind of him – namely a candidate for the Papal Office. Everything anyone on this thread has said about him, falls into the category of opinion. We await a more certain revelation of his true nature. It is my opinion that Vigano does not speak with the voice of the Shepherd of Souls, but rather with a weak facsimile of that voice. My opinion of him as deeply flawed is bound up with my sense of him as being projected onto the public mind as “papal.” Were he not so projected, my opinion of him might be simply that he says some helpful things and some harmful things. It is by virtue of the image being projected, that I have used the predication “deeply wrong.”

Like you, I have no animus towards anyone who either voted for Trump or who thinks Vigano is “papal.” My own gut tells me that Vigano is not the answer for the Church. I cannot surmise why he has talked so much about Trump, and even aligned his rhetoric somewhat with Trump’s rhetoric. All I know is that somehow Vigano’s cuмulative avalanche of words falls far short of the true Voice of the Shepherd. “My sheep hear My voice: and I know them, and they follow Me.” I don’t hear our Lord Jesus Christ speaking when I listen to Vigano. Just my opinion while I await the full revelation of the sons of God.