Author Topic: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification (Read 7267 times)

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2023, 09:25:28 AM »

There was a similar issue with JP2 using an inverted cross (Cross of St Peter). While it may have been a symbol of the papacy historically, its modern association with satanism causes scandal.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #31 on:** February 06, 2023, 09:37:56 AM »

Quote from: Nadir on February 05, 2023, 05:33:53 AM

In answer to your question How does somebody become a "Child of the Light"? I offer a couple of passages from St Paul’s Letters

1 Thess 5
[4] But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [5] For all you are the children of light, and children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Ephesians 5
[6] Let no man deceive you with vain words. For because of these things cometh the anger of God upon the children of unbelief. [7] Be ye not therefore partakers with them. [8] For you were heretofore darkness, but now light in the Lord. Walk then as children of the light. [9] For the fruit of the light is in all goodness, and justice, and truth; [10] Proving what is well pleasing to God:
[11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. [12] For the things that are done by them in secret, it is a shame even to speak of. [13] But all things that are reproved, are made manifest by the light; for all that is made manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he saith: Rise thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead: and Christ shall enlighten thee. [15] See therefore, brethren, how you walk circuмspectly: not as unwise,

As for your last question I cannot see any evidence to support slander against ArchBishop Vigano. I do not accept the words of anonymous contributors on Twitter.

That’s all I have to say. God bless you.

Yes, these passages are speaking to baptized Christians.

Baptized Catholics are the children of light.

Would St Paul call unbaptized Jєωs children of light? NO!

Yet, AB Vigano does!

Actually, he called them the "Children of the Light" (with capital "L").

That's apostasy.

That should have been enough for good Catholics right there. We shouldn't listen to heretics or apostates.

Why do people listen to this man much less act like his every word is gospel?

People can see more about the Jericho March here

https://novusordowatch.org/2020/12/vigano-and-marshall-in-ecuмenical-prayer-rally/

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness"

Exactly!

This is the symposium:

This is Vigano meeting with Crowlyan Satanist Dugin

also known as Putin's brain or Putin's Rasmussen.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #32 on:** February 06, 2023, 09:42:00 AM »

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on February 06, 2023, 09:25:28 AM

There was a similar issue with JP2 using an inverted cross (Cross of St Peter). While it may have been a symbol of the papacy historically, its modern association with satanism causes scandal.

Yes, this is the game they play.

The majority of people in the modern world see this symbol as satanic and indeed satanists do use this symbol.

It's the same thing for calling Jesus the Sol Invictus.

Nobody in modern times refer to Jesus as such.

Its modern use is by the Lodge and Luciferians.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #33 on:** February 06, 2023, 10:04:30 AM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on February 06, 2023, 09:37:56 AM

Yes, these passages are speaking to baptized Christians.

Baptized Catholics are the children of light.

Would St Paul call unbaptized Jєωs children of light? NO!

Yet, AB Vigano does!

Actually, he called them the "Children of the Light" (with capital "L").

That's apostasy.

That should have been enough for good Catholics right there. We shouldn't listen to heretics or apostates.

Why do people listen to this man much less act like his every word is gospel?

People can see more about the Jericho March here

https://novusordowatch.org/2020/12/vigano-and-marshall-in-ecuмenical-prayer-rally/

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness"

Exactly!

This is the symposium:

This is Vigano meeting with Crowlyan Satanist Dugin

also known as Putin's brain or Putin's Rasmussen.

Oops, I put Rasmussen but meant Rasputin. (Satanic spellcaster)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #34 on:** February 06, 2023, 10:29:05 AM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on February 04, 2023, 09:23:16 AM

Try a Google search for "So may it be" and see what comes up----

As I've already explained, the English "So may it be" is a translation of something that doesn't have the same connotations in the original language that they might in English. This is a very well known issue with translating things from one language to another.

In Latin, it would be "Sic fiat", with the "fiat" echoing Our Lady's "fiat".

Meg · « **Reply #35 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:05:17 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on February 06, 2023, 10:29:05 AM

As I've already explained, the English "So may it be" is a translation of something that doesn't have the same connotations in the original language that they might in English. This is a very well known issue with translating things from one language to another.

In Latin, it would be "Sic fiat", with the "fiat" echoing Our Lady's "fiat".

I can't think of any traditional bishop who signs his communications with anything similar to "and so may it be." Even if the translation is off, it still doesn't make sense that a supposed traditional bishop would write this. I may disagree with Miser about most things, but I agree with her on this one.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #36 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:29:04 AM »

Quote from: Meg on February 06, 2023, 11:05:17 AM

I can't think of any traditional bishop who signs his communications with anything similar to "and so may it be." Even if the translation is off, it still doesn't make sense that a supposed traditional bishop would write this. I may disagree with Miser about most things, but I agree with her on this one.

Do you know of any Italian Traditional bishop?

Of all the things to agree with her on, this is the biggest bunch of nonsense and proverbial nothingburger that I've ever seen.

Get back to me on a cui bono for the harm +Vigano is causing, as an agent of the Masons / Opus Dei / Jєωs, and then I might pay some attention.

I see him doing nothing to lure Traditional Catholics back into the Conciliar Church, but more the opposite. If he were setting up some seminary and doubtfully-ordaining priests, some kind of rival to Traditional seminaries, I'd be more concerned.

All he's done thus far is to put out letters that are solidly-Catholic, are emboldening conservative Novus Ordites to be criticize Vatican II and Bergoglio, conservatives who might otherwise be mute out of respect for the Papacy in general, letters where he's stated that V2 and the NOM must be categorically thrown out. Some agent I would expect to take the +Fellay route of saying V2 is 95% good and can be amended and fixed, etc. I've repeatedly asked for what damage/harm +Vigano is allegedly doing, but there hasn't been a single rational response ... just spamming walls of nonsense into threads.

2Vermont · « **Reply #37 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:32:12 AM »

Quote from: obediens on February 06, 2023, 09:20:22 AM

I love how everyone is an expert now! I am an Italian speaking trad. Here are photos from my original Italian missal and prayer book. Così sia is the older way of saying 'Amen.' Just like how French trads still say 'ainsi soit-il.'

Listen to Don Ricossa (ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, who is probably the most famous sede priest in Italy) at the four second (0:04) mark: .

Listen to the sermon yesterday at Albano at the one minute forty-nine second (1:49) mark: .

If this is Vigano's intent, then I keep going back to.....why isn't it translated as Amen? WHO has control over how his writings are translated AND does he know that it's been translated in such a way? I am just suspicious and untrusting by nature.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #38 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:32:16 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on February 06, 2023, 10:29:05 AM

As I've already explained, the English "So may it be" is a translation of something that doesn't have the same connotations in the original language that they might in English. This is a very well known issue with translating things from one language to another.

In Latin, it would be "Sic fiat", with the "fiat" echoing Our Lady's "fiat".

And as already demonstrated, it is used by the Lodge in Italy so it's not a translation issue.

If this were the only problem with this guy then sure, dispute away.

But it doesn't matter much because he is an apostate who calls Jєωs the "Children of the Light"and encourages ecuмenical prayer.

That should be all anybody needs to know! We're done!

But wait, there's more!

Instead of the One True Catholic Church being the katechon,

he calls Warpshot Trump
and Benedict (Jєωs don't need Jesus)
and Moscow the "Third Rome" (again apostasy)

the katechons

holding back the Antichrist (while simultaneously ushering him in of course).

He has more than once called for the "Peaceful Coexistence of Equal Nations" which is a communist doctrine of Lenin and the UN. I've posted the evidence for that before but you can Google the phrase if you don't know about it.

He met with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin (Putin's brain) to plan the future of humanity.

He lied to the Awaken America Rally telling them that Trump never oversaw the pandemic farce when we all know he did.

Why should any Catholic care what this guy says?

He calls Jesus the Sol Invictus which Luciferians and Lodgers see as their god Lucifer.

And as demonstrated in this thread and the other one, the Lodge itself says "So may it be" however you want to translate it is their special phrase.

The Lodge in Italy uses it.
The Lodge in English Speaking countries use it.
They make hats, and tshirts and mugs.
Wiccans use it.
Crowley used it.

AB Vigano is an "expert" on the history of the Masonic infiltration so he would most certainly know what this phrase is. He would know it would be a signal to the Brotherhood and should be avoided, especially when there are zillion Catholic phrases the Masons don't normally use.

Surely he knows that Luciferians and Lodgers will recognize his use of Sol Invictus.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So mote it be

"So mote it be" is a ritual phrase used by the Freemasons, in Rosicrucianism, and more recently by Neopagans, meaning "so may it be", "so it is required", or "so must it be", and may be said after the person giving the prayer says 'Amen'. The phrase appears in the Halliwell or Regius Manuscript, the earliest known docuмent relating to a society of Masons in England, dating from the first half of the 15th century.^[1] "Amen! amen! so mot hyt be! Say we so all per charyté".^[2]
The phrase has been taken up by neopagans and they use it in a similar way in their ceremonies and rituals.^[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_mote_it_be#:~:text=%22So%20mote%20it%20be%22%20is,the%20prayer%20says%20'Amen'.

Translations are not a problem for them:

Why do Freemasons end their prayers with the phrase “So mote it be”?
It is customary in contemporary English to end prayers with a hearty “Amen,” a word meaning “So be it.” It is a Latin word derived from the Hebrew word

meaning “certainly.” Thus a congregation saying “Amen” is literally saying “So be it.” The word mote is an archaic verb that means “may” or “might,” and traces back to Old English. The phrase “So mote it be” means “So may it be,” which is the same as “So be it.” Now that we’ve established the equivalence of “Amen” and “So mote it be,” the question remains, “Why do Masons end their prayers with ‘So mote it be’?” The answer goes back to the Regius Poem of about 1390 AD, the oldest known Masonic docuмent (now housed in the British Museum, London). It is one of the Old Charges or Gothic Constitution used by early Freemasons to regulate their trade. It has a legendary history, regulations to guide the Mason trade and rules of manners and moral conduct. The poem ends famously with this couplet:

Excerpt from Regius Poem - Amen amen so mote it be

Caption: A detail from a facsimile depicting the closing couplet of The Regius Poem (Masonic Book Club, 1970) Amen! Amen! So mote it be! So say we all for charity. Thus Freemasons today end their prayers the same way they did in 1390. The next time you’re in lodge and say “So mote it be” after the chaplain finishes a prayer, remember that you are continuing a 600-year-old Masonic tradition.

From the March/April 2009 Scottish Rite Journal

A quick Google image search pulls up these things.

They really, really like it! It's like a calling card to their Brothers.

Here's a Witch decal you buy at Etsy:

So Mote it Be Wicca Wiccan Witchcraft Witch Vinyl Decal Sticker Horror Halloween Pagan Metaphysical

This is cute!

So Mote it Be Masonic Embroidered Key Chain - [Blue & Gold]

Wiccan rubber stamp available at Etsy:

Wedding gift?

They named their giftshop:

Oh a facemask!

Pocket knife!

Ladislaus · « **Reply #39 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:33:14 AM »

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on February 06, 2023, 09:25:28 AM

There was a similar issue with JP2 using an inverted cross (Cross of St Peter). While it may have been a symbol of the papacy historically, its modern association with satanism causes scandal.

Well, you know that the Vatican / Wojtyla were well aware of the Satanic connotations of the inverted cross. So, for instance, while I am aware of St. Peter's upside down crucifixion, I would never think to display an upside-down cross due to the connotation that most would view it with ... and especially give ammunition to the Prots who claim that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon.

2Vermont · « **Reply #40 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:34:37 AM »

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on February 05, 2023, 10:28:00 AM

It's literal meaning is not the issue. It's the fact that an archbishop of the Catholic Church is intentionally using an ambiguous phrase coupled with his questionable actions of the past few years.

I have been suspicious of +Vigano since he first appeared on the world stage.

I agree. He has said a lot of good things, but he has also said things that make me scratch my head. Some of those things are things Miser has pointed out.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #41 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:43:47 AM »

Thanks to the video from Father / Bishop Riccosa using the expression Così sia posted by obediens above, we can put this nonsense to bed.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #42 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:45:51 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on February 06, 2023, 11:32:12 AM

If this is Vigano's intent, then I keep going back to.....why isn't it translated as Amen? WHO has control over how his writings are translated AND does he know that it's been translated in such a way? I am just suspicious and untrusting by nature.

Because "So be it" is the literal translation of the phrase Così sia which in turn is a rendition of "Amen". +Vigano didn't say "Amen".

Little did this translator know that some crackpot was going to take this as the equivalent of the Masonic "So mote it be".

Ladislaus · « **Reply #43 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:47:56 AM »

Quote from: obediens on February 06, 2023, 09:20:22 AM

I love how everyone is an expert now! I am an Italian speaking trad. Here are photos from my original Italian missal and prayer book. Così sia is the older way of saying 'Amen.' Just like how French trads still say 'ainsi soit-il.'

Listen to Don Ricossa (ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, who is probably the most famous sede priest in Italy) at the four second (0:04) mark: .

Listen to the sermon yesterday at Albano at the one minute forty-nine second (1:49) mark: .

End of Thread. And end of this stupid attack ... appearing after every letter from +Vigano now. Not only do we have two videos, but we have a Missal that translates Amen to "So be it."

Thank you for confirming my suspicion that this is exactly what it was.

Meg · « **Reply #44 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:50:39 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on February 06, 2023, 11:29:04 AM

Do you know of any Italian Traditional bishop?

Of all the things to agree with her on, this is the biggest bunch of nonsense and proverbial nothingburger that I've ever seen.

Get back to me on a cui bono for the harm +Vigano is causing, as an agent of the Masons / Opus Dei / Jєωs, and then I might pay some attention.

I see him doing nothing to lure Traditional Catholics back into the Conciliar Church, but more the opposite. If he were setting up some seminary and doubtfully-ordaining priests, some kind of rival to Traditional seminaries, I'd be more concerned.

All he's done thus far is to put out letters that are solidly-Catholic, are emboldening conservative Novus Ordites to be criticize Vatican II and Bergoglio, conservatives who might otherwise be mute out of respect for the Papacy in general, letters where he's stated that V2 and the NOM must be categorically thrown out. Some agent I would expect to take the +Fellay route of saying V2 is 95% good and can be amended and fixed, etc. I've repeatedly asked for what damage/harm +Vigano is allegedly doing, but there hasn't been a single rational response ... just spamming walls of nonsense into threads.

No, I don't know any Italian Traditional bishops. If anyone can show that any other Italian Traditional bishop signs his communications in this way, I'd be glad to see it.

I don't know of any harm that +Vigano is doing, other than the things that Miser has pointed out. You're right about +Vigano not doing anything to lure Traditional Catholics to the conciliar church. Obviously, if he is associated with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (and so far, there's not yet conclusive evidence of this) the goal is something other than luring trads back to the conciliar church. That's the question that I have. What would be a reason for pretending to be a traditional Catholic? I've no idea of what the answer might be, but others here might.

Author Topic: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification (Read 7267 times)

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