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Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2023, 11:57:42 AM »
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  • I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #46 on: February 06, 2023, 11:58:00 AM »
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  • End of Thread.  And end of this stupid attack ... appearing after every letter from +Vigano now.  Not only do we have two videos, but we have a Missal that translates Amen to "So be it."

    Thank you for confirming my suspicion that this is exactly what it was.

    Why would a traditional bishop sign his communications with "Amen?" Does he believe that his communications are prayers? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #47 on: February 06, 2023, 12:02:06 PM »
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  • Jєω at the Jericho March:  Archbishop Vigano, what must I do to be saved?

    ABV:  Accept Trump as your personal Lord and Savior and you will be a Child of the Light.


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    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #48 on: February 06, 2023, 12:04:01 PM »
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  • Yes, and I posted twice in this thread the link showing that the Italian Lodge signs it's docuмents with
    E così sia.

    And if "So may it be" is such an innocuous little phrase that simply means "Amen"

    why do the Freemasons and Wiccans

    go to the trouble of putting it on

    their tshirts, hats, mugs and memes?

    It's their special phrase. 

    I posted the photos for everyone to see.

    I don't have any "secret knowledge".

    It's right there for people to see.
    I cannot imagine that a Saint God hath raised up for this time would do such a thing. 

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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #49 on: February 06, 2023, 12:07:14 PM »
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  • I love how everyone is an expert now! I am an Italian speaking trad. Here are photos from my original Italian missal and prayer book. Così sia is the older way of saying 'Amen.' Just like how French trads still say 'ainsi soit-il.'

    Listen to Don Ricossa (ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, who is probably the most famous sede priest in Italy) at the four second (0:04) mark: .

    Listen to the sermon yesterday at Albano at the one minute forty-nine second (1:49) mark: .


    Beautiful counterexample. This needs to be rebutted, or else I think it stands. 

    Nevertheless, it does not take down other concerns about this man. 


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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #50 on: February 06, 2023, 12:09:10 PM »
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  • No, I don't know any Italian Traditional bishops. If anyone can show that any other Italian Traditional bishop signs his communications in this way, I'd be glad to see it.

    I don't know of any harm that +Vigano is doing, other than the things that Miser has pointed out. You're right about +Vigano not doing anything to lure Traditional Catholics to the conciliar church. Obviously, if he is associated with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (and so far, there's not yet conclusive evidence of this) the goal is something other than luring trads back to the conciliar church. That's the question that I have. What would be a reason for pretending to be a traditional Catholic? I've no idea of what the answer might be, but others here might.

    Well since the false church occupying Rome is in ruins, he sees Moscow as the "Third Rome".

    To even suggest such a thing is complete apostasy from the

    One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #51 on: February 06, 2023, 12:13:40 PM »
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  • Well since the false church occupying Rome is in ruins, he sees Moscow as the "Third Rome".

    To even suggest such a thing is complete apostasy from the

    One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    I can't see how that suggests a reason. Can you be more clear? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #52 on: February 06, 2023, 12:14:30 PM »
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  • Well since the false church occupying Rome is in ruins, he sees Moscow as the "Third Rome".

    To even suggest such a thing is complete apostasy from the

    One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
    As I've pointed out in other threads 

    Crowleyan Dugin also believes in a Third Rome:



    Satanist/Kabbalist Dugin explaining his belief:


    Dugin stressed that Russia is able to be a world empire. "That is why we are Rome. And those who oppose us – are Carthage.


    https://www.memri.org/reports/russian-anti-liberal-philosopher-dugin-third-rome-moscow-putting-limit-new-carthage-west
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #53 on: February 06, 2023, 12:16:03 PM »
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  • Why would a traditional bishop sign his communications with "Amen?" Does he believe that his communications are prayers?
    I also wondered about that. 

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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #54 on: February 06, 2023, 12:17:12 PM »
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  • As I've pointed out in other threads

    Crowleyan Dugin also believes in a Third Rome:



    Satanist/Kabbalist Dugin explaining his belief:


    Dugin stressed that Russia is able to be a world empire. "That is why we are Rome. And those who oppose us – are Carthage.


    https://www.memri.org/reports/russian-anti-liberal-philosopher-dugin-third-rome-moscow-putting-limit-new-carthage-west

    Still don't see what you're getting at - how does this relate to +Vigano? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #55 on: February 06, 2023, 12:20:57 PM »
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  • Beautiful counterexample. This needs to be rebutted, or else I think it stands.

    Nevertheless, it does not take down other concerns about this man.

    There is no need for him to sign off with that term.

    As demonstrated, whether in English or Italian, Lodge members sign off with that term.

    There is no need for him to call Jesus the Luciferian god/Lodge name  "Sol Invictus".

    Most Catholics won't recognize anything special about those terms.

    Lodge members will recognize them immediately.

    Those terms mean something very special to them. 

    And as an expert on the Lodge, he would surely know this.

    As I've shared before,

    Pope Pius VI explained we are to call out this kind of thing:



    Pope Pius VI, Bull “Auctorem fidei," August 28, 1794: “[The Ancient Doctors] knew the capacity of innovators in the art of deception.  In order not to shock the ears of Catholics, they sought to hide the subtleties… by the use of seemingly innocuous words such as would allow them to insinuate error into souls in the most gentle manner. Once the truth had been compromised, they could, by means of slight changes or additions in phraseology, distort the confession of the faith which is necessary for our salvation, and lead the faithful by subtle errors to their eternal damnation.”

    Pope Pius VI points out that camouflaging the heresies in statements that are ambiguous or seemingly conservative or contradictory was the tactic of the heretic Nestorius, and that Catholics cannot allow heretics to get away with this or deceive them by it.  They must hold such heretics to their heresies regardless:

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    Pope Pius VI, “Auctorem fidei": “… it cannot be excused in the way that one sees it being done, under the erroneous pretext that the seemingly shocking affirmations in one place are further developed along orthodox lines in other places, and even in yet other places corrected; as if allowing for the possibility of either affirming or denying the statement… such has always been the fraudulent and daring method used by innovators to establish error.  It allows for both the possibility of promoting error and of excusing it.
    "…It is a most reprehensible technique for the insinuation of doctrinal errors and one condemned long ago by our predecessor Saint Celestine who found it used in the writings of Nestorius, Bishop of Constantinople, and which he exposed in order to condemn it with the greatest possible severity.  Once these texts were examined carefully, the impostor was exposed and confounded, for he expressed himself in a plethora of words, mixing true things with others that were obscure; mixing at times one with the other in such a way that he was also able to confess those things which were denied while at the same time possessing a basis for denying those very sentences which he confessed.”

    Heretics have always used ambiguity and deception to insinuate their heresies and make them seem not quite as bad.  In fact, the more deceptive the heretic is usually equates to how successful he is for the Devil.  The heretic Arius effectively spread his denial of the Divinity of Christ because he impressed people with his appearance of ascetism and devotion.
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    Pope Pius XI, Rite expiatis (# 6), April 30, 1926: “…heresies gradually arose and grew in the vineyard of the Lord, propagated either by open heretics or by sly deceivers who, because they professed a certain austerity of life and gave a false appearance of virtue and piety, easily led weak and simple souls astray.”[143]

    Pope Pius VI concludes his point by giving Catholics instructions on how to deal with such deception or ambiguity among the writings of heretics:
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    "In order to expose such snares, something which becomes necessary with a certain frequency in every century, no other method is required than the following: WHENEVER IT BECOMES NECESSARY TO EXPOSE STATEMENTS WHICH DISGUISE SOME SUSPECTED ERROR OR DANGER UNDER THE VEIL OF AMBIGUITY, ONE MUST DENOUNCE THE PERVERSE MEANING UNDER WHICH THE ERROR OPPOSED TO CATHOLIC TRUTH IS CAMOUFLAGED.”

    Pope Pius VI teaches us that if someone veils a heresy in ambiguity, a Catholic must hold him to the heretical meaning and denounce the heretical meaning which is camouflaged in ambiguity.  But this is only common sense: if a man says that he is against abortion, but repeatedly votes in favor of it, he is a supporter of abortion and a heretic.  The fact that he sometimes claims to hold Church teaching against abortion means nothing.


    https:// vatican  catholic.com  /anti-pope-benedict-xvi/
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #56 on: February 06, 2023, 12:25:10 PM »
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  • There is no need for him to sign off with that term.

    As demonstrated, whether in English or Italian, Lodge members sign off with that term.

    There is no need for him to call Jesus the Luciferian god/Lodge name  "Sol Invictus".

    Most Catholics won't recognize anything special about those terms.

    Lodge members will recognize them immediately.

    Those terms mean something very special to them. 

    As I've shared before,

    Pope Pius VI explained we are to call out this kind of thing:



    Pope Pius VI, Bull “Auctorem fidei," August 28, 1794: “[The Ancient Doctors] knew the capacity of innovators in the art of deception.  In order not to shock the ears of Catholics, they sought to hide the subtleties… by the use of seemingly innocuous words such as would allow them to insinuate error into souls in the most gentle manner. Once the truth had been compromised, they could, by means of slight changes or additions in phraseology, distort the confession of the faith which is necessary for our salvation, and lead the faithful by subtle errors to their eternal damnation.”

    Pope Pius VI points out that camouflaging the heresies in statements that are ambiguous or seemingly conservative or contradictory was the tactic of the heretic Nestorius, and that Catholics cannot allow heretics to get away with this or deceive them by it.  They must hold such heretics to their heresies regardless:

    Quote
    Heretics have always used ambiguity and deception to insinuate their heresies and make them seem not quite as bad.  In fact, the more deceptive the heretic is usually equates to how successful he is for the Devil.  The heretic Arius effectively spread his denial of the Divinity of Christ because he impressed people with his appearance of ascetism and devotion.
    Quote
    Pope Pius VI concludes his point by giving Catholics instructions on how to deal with such deception or ambiguity among the writings of heretics:
    Quote
    Pope Pius VI teaches us that if someone veils a heresy in ambiguity, a Catholic must hold him to the heretical meaning and denounce the heretical meaning which is camouflaged in ambiguity.  But this is only common sense: if a man says that he is against abortion, but repeatedly votes in favor of it, he is a supporter of abortion and a heretic.  The fact that he sometimes claims to hold Church teaching against abortion means nothing.


    https:// vatican  catholic.com  /anti-pope-benedict-xvi/

    Thank you. 

    Yes, the rebuttal of the Missal argument is that the entire Missal is in Italian. There the phrase has an unambiguous Catholic sense.

    But we are reading an English translation. Why keep an Italian phrase in an English translation unless there is some import attached to that?

    Why would anyone emphasize the word Amen in a translation?

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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #57 on: February 06, 2023, 12:30:39 PM »
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  • Also the evidence against Vigano is cuмulative. As time goes by, more and more oddities surface. Time is almost impossible for a cloak to surmount. 

    Using that Italian phrase, so commonly linked with satanism, is at best a strange and vain novelty; at worst it is something like the handshake. 

    Again Miser, thank you for your untiring efforts.

    As Fr. Jenkins pointed out on this week's show, women often do sense things before they become apparent to men. 

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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #58 on: February 06, 2023, 12:58:29 PM »
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  • Still don't see what you're getting at - how does this relate to +Vigano?

    Well he called Moscow "The Third Rome" and the Katechon.

    First, no Catholic Prelate should ever say such a thing.

    How many Churches are there again?  Um...one.

    That's apostasy!

    The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is still here even though Rome is occupied by usurpers.

    But well, I mean this man calls Jєωs the "Children of the Light". 

    So anything goes with him.

    What do they have planned?

    How should I know?

    I can make guesses but nobody knows for sure.

    ABV hates the shots and calls out those responsible but after thousands of deaths told Trump supporters that we know Trump would have never overseen the pandemic.  ??? 

    If he hates the shots so much, why cover for Trump?

    Then he continued to call out the evil shots and lamented the deaths but said that Trump would be the man to make a peace deal with Russia.

    Why would he possibly think the man responsible for the Warpshots would have humanity's best interests at heart?  He hates the WEF and globalists but the guy responsible for the shots, the guy who wants the credit for the shots, the guy committing genocide against the people of his own country will save the world???

    He has said several times, including a year before the Ukraine war that Trump would implement a

    Peaceful coexistence of equal nations.

    "Peaceful coexistence" is another Freemason term.

    Plus, that's communism!  It's the plan of the UN:



    Trump's hero Freemason Grand Master Albert Pike wrote the plan for 3 world wars to usher in the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr under Lucifer.

    He wrote the letter to Lodge leader Mazzini who coined the term "Third Rome".

    Who knows?

    We have a fake Sr Lucy, fake third secret, fake consecrations, fake sun miracles at Medjugorje, fake three days of darkness prophecies...

    could be a coming fake 3days and fake bluebeam Fatima event

    and when Rome is under attack, will ABV be the "bishop in white" from the fake third secret who flees

    to where??

    hmm....Moscow perhaps?

    The "Third Rome" waiting with open arms?

    Sure, it's not the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

    but hey, close enough.

    Won't matter what they do though, the sedes are the lifeboat for the OHCAC.



    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Sermon for Feast of the Purification
    « Reply #59 on: February 06, 2023, 01:07:05 PM »
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  • Well he called Moscow "The Third Rome" and the Katechon.

    First, no Catholic Prelate should ever say such a thing.

    How many Churches are there again?  Um...one.

    That's apostasy!

    The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is still here even though Rome is occupied by usurpers.

    But well, I mean this man calls Jєωs the "Children of the Light". 

    So anything goes with him.

    What do they have planned?

    How should I know?

    I can make guesses but nobody knows for sure.

    ABV hates the shots and calls out those responsible but after thousands of deaths told Trump supporters that we know Trump would have never overseen the pandemic.  ??? 

    If he hates the shots so much, why cover for Trump?

    Then he continued to call out the evil shots and lamented the deaths but said that Trump could be the man to make a peace deal with Russia.

    Why would he possibly think the man responsible for the Warpshots would have humanity's best interests at heart?  He hates the WEF and globalists but the guy responsible for the shots, the guy who wants the credit for the shots will save the world???

    He has said several times, including a year before the Ukraine war that Trump would implement a

    Peaceful coexistence of equal nations.

    "Peaceful coexistence" is another Freemason term.

    Plus, that's communism!  It's the plan of the UN:



    Trump's hero Freemason Grand Master Albert Pike wrote the plan for 3 world wars to usher in the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr under Lucifer.

    He wrote the letter to Lodge leader Mazzini who coined the term "Third Rome".

    Who knows?

    We have a fake Sr Lucy, fake third secret, fake consecrations, fake sun miracles at Medjugorje, fake three days of darkness prophecies...

    could be a coming fake 3days and fake bluebeam Fatima event

    and when Rome is under attack, will ABV be the "bishop in white" from the fake third secret who flees

    to where??

    hmm....Moscow perhaps?

    The "Third Rome" waiting with open arms?

    Sure, it's not the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

    but hey, close enough.

    Won't matter what they do though, the sedes are the lifeboat for the OHCAC.

    Yes, the third rome and Katechon thing is troubling. Not sure if it's apostasy though. It might be.

    I don't fault +Vigano for supporting Trump. I supported Trump too. I'm not a freemason or luciferian.

    While I agree that there are disturbing aspects of +Vigano's writings, I'm not yet ready to say that he's a freemason or luciferian. The problem with some sedevacantists is that they take evidence as absolute proof. That's one of the reasons that sedevacantism can never be a lifeboat. That's not how the Church works.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29