Christ never promised that ‘ordinary jurisdiction’ would survive the gates of hell.  He said the Church. 

When there’s a crisis, you aren’t living in ordinary times.  Thus, ordinary jurisdiction will be replaced by non-ordinary (ie supplied) jurisdiction.  Either way, the Church still goes on. 

“Incredibly, they boldly affirm that the Roman Pontiff and all the bishops, the priests and the people conjoined with him in the unity of faith and communion fell into heresy when they approved and professed the definitions of the Ecuмenical Vatican Council. Therefore they deny also the indefectibility of the Church and blasphemously declare that it has perished throughout the world and that its visible Head and the bishops have erred. They assert the necessity of restoring a legitimate episcopacy in the person of their pseudo-bishop, who has entered not by the gate but from elsewhere like a thief or robber and calls the damnation of Christ upon his head.”

We declare, moreover, that, whether one considers its existence or its constitution, the Church of Christ is an everlasting and indefectible society, and that, after it, no more complete nor more perfect economy of salvation is to be hoped for in this world. For, to the very end of the world the pilgrims of this earth are to be saved through Christ. Consequently, his Church, the only society of salvation, will last until the end of the world ever unchangeable and unchanged in its constitution. Therefore, although the Church is growing—and We wish that it may always grow in faith and charity for the upbuilding of Christ's body—although it evolves in a variety of ways according to the changing times and circuмstances in which it is constantly displaying activity, nevertheless, it remains unchangeable in itself and in the constitution it received from Christ. Therefore, Christ's Church can never lose its properties and its qualities, its sacred teaching authority, priestly office, and governing body, so that through his visible body, Christ may always be the way, the truth, and the life for all men.



Jesuit Fathers of St. Mary's College. The Church Teaches: Docuмents of the Church in English Translation . TAN Books. Kindle Edition.

Ordinary jurisdiction is a human invention, to split up the Church into dioceses, to provide order, efficiency and clear authority. 

We’re there dioceses in existence on the first Pentacost?  No.  How many years did the Church function before St Peter setup his papal office in Rome?  Quite a few.  And then, during the first 300 years, didn’t the church operate underground, with minimal organization?  Yes.

Ordinary jurisdiction is for ordinary times.  Supplied jurisdiction is for crazy times. 

Canon law is always based on theological principles because the Church cannot contradict itself.  All church law is in harmony with theology/doctrine. 

Christ's Church can never lose its properties and its qualities,

its sacred teaching authority, priestly office,

and governing body,

so that through his visible body, Christ may always be the way, the truth, and the life for all men.

Absolutely agree. This is not "ordinary times," and "indefectibility" as the Church defined it and expressed it was for ordinary times. That is my point.

You, however, are arguing this is not "ordinary times" while maintaining  that the Church remains "indefectible" as she has understood and explained the term,  which results in contradiction, a  non-correspondence between theory or doctrine and reality/fact . . .

Follow the argument!!!!

Angelus,

I have simply given the understanding of "indefectibility" as it has been expressed by Pius IX and the Fathers of Vatican I. In another thread I have given the discussion of the doctrine/dogma from the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Show me how those sources have wrongly understood the Church's indefectibility, or how their understanding differs from that of the Church. Considering the sources, I don't think you can.

But go ahead, if you think you can.

DR

Ordinary jurisdiction is an "invention" of Christ and he transmitted it's plenitude to St. Peter, the conduit of authority and legitimacy in the Church.

While the body that detains this power of governing in Christ's name may suffer diminution or adaption in some way, it could never dissappear in such fashion that there be no presence whatsoever of Christ's authority(ordinary jurisdiction) on earth.