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Re: +Vigano on the Responsa to Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2022, 06:41:43 AM »
I know that people criticize SVism of over 60 years, but even having a dysfunctional hierarchy for that long is just as much a problem as having none.
Having a dysfunctional hierarchy still leaves a possibility for a future conclave, and pope, to judge the the heresiarch who held office. Going the route of some sedevecantist positions (I'm not saying this is you, necessarily) would leave even that route out of the question. Hence your appeal to Sts. Peter and Paul prophecy (reminds me of the BODer appeal to an angel baptizing someone if they truly wanted unity with the Church). I mean, how many of those "hardline" sedevecantists would accept +Vigano's calling out Francis and electing another pope- even if it were done? Not many, I'd guess.

Re: +Vigano on the Responsa to Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2022, 06:44:19 AM »
...It's just that trads can't really agree on where the Church is exactly, or who belongs to it....
Bingo


Re: +Vigano on the Responsa to Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2022, 06:49:21 AM »
Sede v is a vacant seat, and looking for a true pope.  If there is a true pope, then why do the people have resistance.
Easy. The pope is human. 

Also, Sede v will never find a true pope. It's a dead end and a detrimental position. Sorry. 

Re: +Vigano on the Responsa to Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2022, 12:37:12 PM »
Having a dysfunctional hierarchy still leaves a possibility for a future conclave, and pope, to judge the the heresiarch who held office. Going the route of some sedevecantist positions (I'm not saying this is you, necessarily) would leave even that route out of the question. Hence your appeal to Sts. Peter and Paul prophecy (reminds me of the BODer appeal to an angel baptizing someone if they truly wanted unity with the Church). I mean, how many of those "hardline" sedevecantists would accept +Vigano's calling out Francis and electing another pope- even if it were done? Not many, I'd guess.
Dysfunctional?  Really?  Are you kidding?  A few weeks back I went to a trad gathering on Gaudete Sunday.  There were several people who used to be ardent anti-sedes who recently went over to the Bennyvacantist position (Benedict is the true pope).  I wanted to know what caused them to change positions and I was basically expecting the Pachamama incident to be the last straw.  But no!  It was the Traditiones Custodes thing.  That's right, the pope can worship idols and still be recognized as pope.  But if you cramp Fr Indult's style, the pope has gone too far and needs to be sacked.  That just sums up the utter madness of the R&R position.  Millions of Catholics died rather than do what Bergoglio did with the Pachamama idol.  But no one cares anymore.  It's all about maintaining the comfort of their little Mass center.  Don't get me wrong, I'm glad people are finally starting to realize that Bergoglio has no authority.  But I'm not very impressed with the reasons why.  And I also think it is ridiculous to think that somehow Ratzinger or Woytyla or Montini or Roncalli where innocent of the very same crimes that Bergoglio has committed.  If you are Bennyvacantist, you must believe that V2 was a perfectly fine council too.  Because that was the overriding theme of his entire "reign".  Even Vigano has repudiated V2 so how can the Novus Ordo "popes" be legitimate?  Why would you expect a church/sect which is less Catholic than the High Church Anglicans (whose clergy are more likely to be valid than the NO clergy) to produce a Catholic pope?  There's a better chance that Justin Welby is the true Archbishop of Canterbury than that any of the Novus Ordo "popes" were true popes.

Re: +Vigano on the Responsa to Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2022, 12:37:47 PM »
Joe Rogan is more Catholic than Bergoglio.