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Author Topic: +Vigano on the Coming Suppression of SP  (Read 2376 times)

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Re: +Vigano on the Coming Suppression of SP
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2021, 04:42:13 PM »
I liked this part:

the Second Vatican Council was also in a certain way a Great Reset for the ecclesial body, like other historical events planned and designed in order to revoutionize the social body. . .

the purpose of this reset, this devastating revolution, was from the very beginning iniquitous and malicious, despite being clothed in noble intentions in order to convince the faithful and the clergy to obey. . .

 if the “extraordinary form” – which is such in the ordinary sense of the word – becomes the norm for thousands of families, young people, and ordinary people who consciously choose it, then it becomes a stone of scandal and must be relentlessly opposed, limited, and abolished, since there must be no counter to the reformed liturgy, no alternative to the squalor of the conciliar rites – just as there can be no voice of dissent or argued refutation against the mainstream narrative, and just as effective treatments cannot be adopted in the face of the side effects of an experimental vaccine because they would demonstrate the latter’s uselessness. . .

 And if all that until yesterday was holy and good is now condemned and made an object of scorn, then allowing any trace of it to remain is inadmissible and constitutes an intolerable affront. Because the Tridentine Mass touches chords of the soul that the Montinian rite does not even begin to approach . . .

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Re: +Vigano on the Coming Suppression of SP
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2021, 04:43:21 PM »
Traditional Catholics recognize that the real issue is not just the liturgy.

Well, yes, and so does +Vigano, if that's what you're implying.  As I cited above, he realizes the connection between the Mass and the doctrinal aberrations tied to it.

Here's what I cited earlier:
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As +Vigano put it, it's because the Modernists "can perhaps tolerate the ceremonial aspects of the Tridentine liturgy but absolutely do not accept adherence to the doctrinal and ecclesiological structure that they imply, which contrasts sharply with the conciliar deviations that the Innovators want to impose without exception."


Re: +Vigano on the Coming Suppression of SP
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2021, 07:31:37 PM »
I predict that once someone brings Archbishop Vigano up to speed on Protocol 1411/99, and he becomes aware that that which he fears happening under Francis already took place 22 years ago through the agency of Ratzinger/BXVI, the scales will completely fall from his eyes, and Ladislaus will get his wish (ie., Vigano goes full Lefebvre, because the logic of what he has written above suggests he would view the compromise -which he is as yet unaware has already transpired- is unacceptable to him.  Therefore he will no longer be able to support such compromised groups.).

He’s already so close; just a couple blind spots which he seems well-disposed to remove.

Once that happens, look out.

Of course, he’s already in his 80’s, but perhaps God will preserve him for the few faithful.  

I do believe he is a gift from God for the remnant faithful in these days.

Re: +Vigano on the Coming Suppression of SP
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2021, 12:43:15 AM »
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I'm still waiting for +Vigano to come out and unapologetically defend Archbishop Lefebvre and the Traditional movement.

Do you think the reason for this could be that he does not want to prod the anti-Lefebvrists until +V gets more momentum?

Re: +Vigano on the Coming Suppression of SP
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2021, 07:36:18 AM »
I predict that once someone brings Archbishop Vigano up to speed on Protocol 1411/99, and he becomes aware that that which he fears happening under Francis already took place 22 years ago through the agency of Ratzinger/BXVI, the scales will completely fall from his eyes,

"Simply put, in Protocol 1411/99 the Vatican has ordered that any priest, even one belonging to an institute enjoying the privilege of using the 1962 Roman Missal, may freely celebrate or concelebrate Mass using the revised Missal of 1970 with no impediment whatever, the will of their superiors notwithstanding. But the Vatican went further, mandating that FSSP priests must say the new Mass or concelebrate under some conditions.
Thus in one brief statement the Vatican repudiated the agreement it had reached with the Fraternity in 1988, and Fraternity liberals, in orchestrating this, relinquished a privilege-exclusive use of the liturgical books of 1962-for which a few thousand priests around the world continue to yearn."