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Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #70 on: April 08, 2021, 07:36:34 PM »
No, Jews are for Vigano what SV is for E. Michael Jones
Perhaps he should get in touch with E Michael Jones then. Vigano could teach Jones that Vatican II is evil and Jones could teach Vigano about the Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit. 

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Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #71 on: April 08, 2021, 08:33:41 PM »

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I thought the modernist theology or "subjectivity" is at the head of the V2, anti-Christ serpent as all the original liberals (from the 1600's to 1800's ) and modernist (1800's to early 1900's) celebrated  exclusively the Latin mass as was all the Bishops and Cardinals before and during the 2nd Vatican Council.
Well, I agree that V2 is just the culmination of anti-catholic philosophy and poor logic since the 1600s.  But...poor thinking can only do so much damage.  It's one thing to think heresy; it's quite another to act on it. 
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The new mass is V2 in action, thus it is infinitely more dangerous.  Worse yet, the new mass as a replacement of the True Mass is a double-edge sword:  1) blasphemy, sacrilege and satanic evils which offends God and calls down His judgement, and 2) the loss of grace, mercy, reparation and thanksgiving due to God, again which calls down His judgement.
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If the crisis consisted of simply V2, then the world would be suffering simply another heresy like Protestantism.  But the loss of the True Mass, replaced by a sacrilege, is the true wound which inflicts the Church.  The Mass is the source of all grace, truth, holiness and mercy in the world, no matter how much heretical ideals are floating around.  In fact, you could argue that V2's heresies were only accepted and took root AFTER the True Mass was gone.
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Speaking of +Vigano, notice how he "woke up" after switching to the True Mass exclusively.  A catholic cannot stay in heresy if he is praying the rosary and going to the True Mass.  The devil will be expelled eventually.


Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2021, 08:54:02 PM »
Mysterium Fidei:  Vigano appears to be invalidly ordained.  I believe it is from 1967? when the rites were changed of the New Order.  If so, the pope is also invalidly ordained.

Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #73 on: April 08, 2021, 09:18:14 PM »
Mysterium Fidei:  Vigano appears to be invalidly ordained.  I believe it is from 1967? when the rites were changed of the New Order.  If so, the pope is also invalidly ordained.

His priestly ordination predates the introduction of the new Ordinal in 1968, and is, therefore, presumed by all sides to be certainly valid.

His episcopal consecration, however, was not until 1992 by JPII (ie., although JPII was consecrated according to the certainly valid traditional rite, by a Bishop who was himself consecrated according to the traditional rite- so there is no question regarding validity on that score-  Vigano was nevertheless consecrated by JPII according to the new rite, which is.....less than certainly valid).

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Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #74 on: April 08, 2021, 09:27:12 PM »
His priestly ordination predates the introduction of the new Ordinal in 1968, and is, therefore, presumed by all sides to be certainly valid.

His episcopal consecration, however, was not until 1992 by JPII (ie., although JPII was consecrated according to the certainly valid traditional rite, by a Bishop who was himself consecrated according to the traditional rite- so there is no question regarding validity on that score-  Vigano was nevertheless consecrated by JPII according to the new rite, which is.....less than certainly valid).
Good assessment.