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Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2021, 06:40:47 PM »
I hope Vigano's legit. But I don't follow him closely. I heard him talk about the "deep state" and the "deep Church". Does he name the Jew as the main enemy?

Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2021, 07:47:42 PM »
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The criticisms some have made of Vigano in this thread are reasonable, but not disturbing to those like me who have tracked his trajectory into tradition since 2018.

Just in that span of three years, Vigano has:

1) Acknowledged and explained (and apologized for) his fault for not rejecting the conciliar ʀɛʋօʟutιօn decades ago;

2) Laid the blame at the conciliar and post-conciliar docuмents themselves (which he says contain not mere ambiguities, but actual doctrinal errors);

3) Acknowledged the righteousness of Lefebvre and his apostolate;

4) Rejected the conciliar church (calling it a counterfeit church);

5) Questioned whether Vatican II is even a bona fide ecuмenical council;

6) Left the door open to the possibility that Francis is not a true pope;

7) Encouraged everyone to abandon the new Mass and new Mass clergy;

8) Made contact with Bishop Williamson and the Resistance;

9) Advised faithful to stay home on Sunday if the Mass they would attend does not sanctify Sunday.

His list of blunders pales in comparison:

1) An ill-advised telespeech at the Jehrico march.

As regards his leaving the door open a crack to attend a pius new Mass (if no traditional Mass is available), I will bet one year from now, that same crack will be half as wide, and will end up only remaining open for those in grave necessity (eg., Archbishop Lefebvre’s famous “cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ” exception).  

To me, this man is a gift from God to strengthen wavering souls.

As for those who criticize him for “not doing anything,” you are blind.  Teaching the faith is the most important and most needed thing right now, and I believe God has awoken him to fulfill that roll.
He sounds like any Novus Ordo lay person that finally gets it, changes his ways, and starts to go to the trad mass and listen to traditionalist that left decades ago. He has a long way to go. No new arrival has ever been anything but a novice, with a long way to go. I think that "trads" are desperate to crown anyone of importance that comes to realize what we have known for 60 years now.  Just like any other Novus Ordo convert, time will tell with Vigano.


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Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2021, 10:21:52 PM »
The new mass is the head of the V2, anti-Christ serpent.  It must be cut off and destroyed!  Once the new mass is 100% abolished, the Church will re-flourish.  The new mass is the “test of faith” of our times.  
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Until +Vigano realizes this, he cannot be relied upon as having a clear direction out of the murky, V2 forest.  If he truly understood the abomination that it is, then his advice to “conservative” novus ordo-ites would be this:
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“Avoid the new mass 100%, as it is a danger to your faith and is an utter blasphemy against God’s true sacrifice on the cross.  From now on, all true Catholics should only attend the Latin mass, no exceptions.  
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If you do not have a Latin mass within 1 hour of you, pray to Almighty God for guidance on where to go and make plans to move.  Offer up this sacrifice for all the blasphemies which occur every Sunday and for the conversion of the pope.  Our Lady will guide you in this most Holy need.”

Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2021, 03:25:47 AM »
I thought that I had read that +Vigano recommended that the faithful avoid the N.O.M.

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Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #54 on: April 08, 2021, 06:11:04 AM »
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