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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2021, 02:13:49 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on April 07, 2021, 02:10:42 PM
Isn't he part of the "hierarchy"?  I keep hearing how the traditional bishops are not part of the hierarchy.  Why can't he address the issue?  Is it... he can't?  Or is it.... he won't?
 

Is he...retired?

Is he...in hiding?

Did he...already answer your question by explaining only a pope can resolve the question?

Are you...intentionally blind?
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Offline Emile

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Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2021, 02:19:34 PM »
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The criticisms some have made of Vigano in this thread are reasonable

15 minutes later:

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What?
Are you on drugs?


I too have struggled with unreasonable and unregulated anger. Spending 20 minutes of meditation every day with our Lady has helped me tremendously. (and of course regular confession)

This conference I have also found helpful:


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Offline 54rosary

Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2021, 02:29:59 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 07, 2021, 02:06:41 PM
What?
Are you on drugs?
...

You should be ashamed of your previous [now moderated] response,  that has been moderated by my request.
  
 
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Offline Matthew

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Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2021, 02:31:55 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 07, 2021, 01:52:50 PM
The criticisms some have made of Vigano in this thread are reasonable, but not disturbing to those like me who have tracked his trajectory into tradition since 2018.

Just in that span of three years, Vigano has:

1) Acknowledged and explained (and apologized for) his fault for not rejecting the conciliar ʀɛʋօʟutιօn decades ago;

2) Laid the blame at the conciliar and post-conciliar docuмents themselves (which he says contain not mere ambiguities, but actual doctrinal errors);

3) Acknowledged the righteousness of Lefebvre and his apostolate;

4) Rejected the conciliar church (calling it a counterfeit church);

5) Questioned whether Vatican II is even a bona fide ecuмenical council;

6) Left the door open to the possibility that Francis is not a true pope;

7) Encouraged everyone to abandon the new Mass and new Mass clergy;

8) Made contact with Bishop Williamson and the Resistance;

9) Advised faithful to stay home on Sunday if the Mass they would attend does not sanctify Sunday.

His list of blunders pales in comparison:

1) An ill-advised telespeech at the Jehrico march.
Great summary, Sean.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: +Vigano on New Mass and Francis
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2021, 02:33:42 PM »
Quote from: Emile on April 07, 2021, 02:19:34 PM
15 minutes later:


I too have struggled with unreasonable and unregulated anger. Spending 20 minutes of meditation every day with our Lady has helped me tremendously. (and of course regular confession)

This conference I have also found helpful:



Thank you for your virtue signaling  :facepalm:

When I mentioned reasonable criticism, idiots declaring Vigano an Opus Dei puppet did not qualify.
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