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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2023, 06:14:44 PM »
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  • I was, at first, a fan of his, but when he began to sign his communications with a Masonic signature, and referred to Our Lord as Sol Invictus, that raised a red flag. Traditional Catholic priests and bishops simply do not do those things.

    Unbelievable.  I can't attribute these comments to anything other than sheer malice.  Both of these have been thoroughly debunked.  Have you just ignored everything you don't want to hear?

    What part of the picture someone posted from a pre-Vatican II Tridentine Italian Missal that translates Amen into Italian as "So may it be." and a poster attesting to the fact that his Traditional Catholic Italian priest concludes his sermons with the expression ... did you miss?

    What part of the dozen or so quotations from the Church Fathers, from Traditional Catholic Liturgies, etc. posted by trad123 referring to Our Lord as Sol Invictus did you miss?

    You and your cohort Miser just ignore these basic facts and keep reposting those calumnies and slanders ... to the point that you cannot be excused of grave sin for continuing to perpetuate them.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #46 on: November 07, 2023, 06:16:30 PM »
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  • This is a very strange comment, n'est pas?!

    You have been shown many times that "so may it be" is an English translation of an Italian translation of the word "Amen."

    In France, EVERY Catholic ends the sign of the Cross with "ainsi soit-il" (i.e., "so be it").  Is every French Catholic a Mason?

    Ignorant Americans like you use the word "Amen" without knowing what it means.  Msgr. Vigano is simply writing in Italian, and translating the word "Amen" for your benefit ("so may it be").

    As regards Sol Invictus, you have been shown the Catholicity of this description of Christ from multiple liturgical sources and the writings of the saints, but your response is once again to display incorrigible ignorance and self-imposed stupidity by declaring in the face of contradictory demonstration that such description raises a red flag??

    So I ask again, what is your agenda?

    Sorry ... I responded to her before I saw your very similar response.


    Offline Meg

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #47 on: November 07, 2023, 06:29:48 PM »
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  • Unbelievable.  I can't attribute these comments to anything other than sheer malice.  Both of these have been thoroughly debunked.  Have you just ignored everything you don't want to hear?

    What part of the picture someone posted from a pre-Vatican II Tridentine Italian Missal that translates Amen into Italian as "So may it be." and a poster attesting to the fact that his Traditional Catholic Italian priest concludes his sermons with the expression ... did you miss?

    What part of the dozen or so quotations from the Church Fathers, from Traditional Catholic Liturgies, etc. posted by trad123 referring to Our Lord as Sol Invictus did you miss?

    You and your cohort Miser just ignore these basic facts and keep reposting those calumnies and slanders ... to the point that you cannot be excused of grave sin for continuing to perpetuate them.

    You know full well that I intend no malice. You, being extremely dishonest, just want to prove a point, and you will stop at nothing to do so. It's the same with a couple of the other men here, who have no Catholic sense at all. 

    Go ahead and put all of your hope and faith into your idol Vigano, who will keep telling you what you want to hear. 

    Now of course this post will be deleted, due to its offensiveness to the forum clowns. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #48 on: November 07, 2023, 06:43:44 PM »
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  • You know full well that I intend no malice. You, being extremely dishonest ...

    Tell us then that you simply didn't see the myriad posts refuting the slanderous nonsense you keep repeating, and I'll retract my allegation of malice and will apologize.  At that point, you can retract your allegations regarding his use of Masonic formula and the inappropriateness of Sol Invictus (with the insinuation that it's pagan).

    Offline Gunter

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #49 on: November 08, 2023, 04:59:29 AM »
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  • Has +Vigano reached out to any Traditional priest or Bishop that we know of?


    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #50 on: November 08, 2023, 05:09:06 AM »
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  • Has +Vigano reached out to any Traditional priest or Bishop that we know of?

    +Williamson, +Faure, Avrille Dominicans, SAJM.  I’m sure there are others.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #51 on: November 08, 2023, 05:37:13 AM »
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  • Has +Vigano reached out to any Traditional priest or Bishop that we know of?

    I believe that he's been in contact with some of them, yes.

    EDIT:  Oops, sorry, just saw Sean's response.

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #52 on: November 08, 2023, 09:14:22 AM »
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  • +Williamson, +Faure, Avrille Dominicans, SAJM.  I’m sure there are others.
    In 2022 and 2023 Mgr Vigano appeared in a live video link up at the Civitas UDT annual conferences. Both times he thanked Father Joseph, priest with Capucins of Morgan order, who used to be the FSSPX district superior when he still had the name Father Regis de Cacqueray. Mgr Vigano made reference to their discussions, so one can draw the  assumption that they know each quite well and of the crisis in the SSPX. 


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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #53 on: November 08, 2023, 02:11:13 PM »
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  • As regards Sol Invictus, you have been shown the Catholicity of this description of Christ from multiple liturgical sources and the writings of the saints....

    I just want to point out that there were multiple Catholic references to titles with "Sol" in them, but only one liturgical reference to "Sol Invictus".  I accept the one, but let's not make it seem like a ton of references were posted in that thread. To be fair, you're not the only one who has suggested this.

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #54 on: November 08, 2023, 06:14:41 PM »
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  • I just want to point out that there were multiple Catholic references to titles with "Sol" in them, but only one liturgical reference to "Sol Invictus".  I accept the one, but let's not make it seem like a ton of references were posted in that thread. To be fair, you're not the only one who has suggested this.

    Thanks Vermont for pointing this out. Yes, it was a *single* reference and we accepted it, end of story. 
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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #55 on: November 08, 2023, 06:23:15 PM »
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    but only one liturgical reference to "Sol Invictus".
    So what?  The Church has to approve it multiple times for you to accept?  It was in a LITURGICAL book.  Besides, it's not as if there is ONLY ONE reference in existence; simply, only one reference was posted.


    You guys are just ridiculous.  :facepalm:


    Offline songbird

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #56 on: November 08, 2023, 06:28:47 PM »
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  • I agree with Meg.  Vigano's solution is "himself"  and of course $$ goes with it when you say what itchy ears want to hear.  

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #57 on: November 08, 2023, 06:54:11 PM »
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    I agree with Meg.  Vigano's solution is "himself"  and of course $$ goes with it when you say what itchy ears want to hear.  
    Please post evidence that he's making $.  Or else this is just slander.

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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #58 on: November 08, 2023, 07:04:02 PM »
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  • I agree with Meg.  Vigano's solution is "himself"  and of course $$ goes with it when you say what itchy ears want to hear. 

    Yikes. 

    Perhaps you did not know that +Vigano is quite wealthy, and has no need of stumping for trad-dollars?

    That someone would up-thumb such a post is concerning.
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    Re: Vigano on a Decades-Old Pseudo Magisterium
    « Reply #59 on: November 08, 2023, 07:17:03 PM »
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  • You know full well that I intend no malice. You, being extremely dishonest, just want to prove a point, and you will stop at nothing to do so.

    "You know I am not malicious, but please ignore my blatant malice as I act maliciously..."  

    How is it possible to be so deaf, dumb and blind?

    I am no Vigano fan-boy, to be sure, and some of his most ardent apologists have asked shockingly-silly questions in this thread.  Those will be dealt with later.  Cheers.
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