Author Topic: Vigano: Letter to Friends and Benefactors (Read 4481 times)

SeanJohnson · « **on:** October 07, 2023, 09:05:03 PM »

Dear Friends and Benefactors,

at the beginning of the month dedicated to Our Lady, it is normal to recommend the daily recitation of the Holy Rosary, which is a most powerful weapon against Satan and his servants. And yet, this month of October sees us called to an extra spiritual commitment, due to a great threat hanging over the current Synod, where a conventicle of corrupt and heretical Prelates is pushing through the blessing of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couples, the admission of women to Holy Orders, synodality in Church government, and the absolution of those who have no intention of sinning any more. The methods used in this Synod - after the experience of the previous ones - are identical to those adopted by communist regimes, experts in the manipulation of consensus. Added to this, in a disturbing crescendo, are new docuмents by Bergoglio, in which he abuses the authority granted to him to impose the new dogmas of the globalist agenda, even venturing into scientific matters over which he has no magisterial power; on the other hand, Faith and Morals are systematically "deconstructed", separating the enunciation of doctrine from pastoral practice. We well believe that the Holy Spirit guards the Catholic Church and that the Lord guides her as the Head of the Mystical Body; but we also know that she is today eclipsed by a sect of heretics and corrupts who have no intention of giving up their subversive aims: to demolish the Church from within, turning her into the handmaiden of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. This attack is the work of an apostate and traitorous Hierarchy, usurping the authority Our Lord gave His Ministers to save souls, not to damn them. I spoke about this recently in regard to Bergoglio’s lack of consent in assuming the Papacy (here) and I trust that these arguments will find consensus among my Brothers in the Episcopate, so that the subversive attack of the Santa Marta sect will finally be revealed. I urge you, dear Friends, to prepare yourselves for this spiritual combat by training in the gymnasium of Faith, first of all with the powerful prayer of the Rosary, and together with it by reciting throughout the month of October the prayer to Christ the King and High Priest, to implore defence and protection for the Holy Church in these hours of confusion and darkness. I would like to express my profound and heartfelt thanks for the generosity with which many of you support our activities, and in particular the project for the Monastic Village for the Benedictine nuns of Pienza. Beyond the (few) more conspicuous donations, I cannot fail to notice many small offerings that come to Exsurge Domine from people for whom - especially in this time of global economic crisis - even a simple almsgiving represents a sacrifice particularly pleasing in the eyes of God: to all of you, who give from the heart, I respond with heartfelt gratitude. I would like you to know that every first Friday and Saturday of the month I celebrate the Holy Sacrifice according to the intentions of the Friends and Benefactors of Exsurge Domine. You are also remembered in the prayers by the priests, religious men and women whom we help through your charity.

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Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** October 07, 2023, 09:37:08 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 07, 2023, 09:05:03 PM

+Vigano:
We well believe that the Holy Spirit guards the Catholic Church and that the Lord guides her as the Head of the Mystical Body; but we also know that she is today eclipsed by a sect of heretics and corrupts who have no intention of giving up their subversive aims: to demolish the Church from within, turning her into the handmaiden of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. This attack is the work of an apostate and traitorous Hierarchy, usurping the authority Our Lord gave His Ministers to save souls, not to damn them.

Yeti · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2023, 10:20:48 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 07, 2023, 09:05:03 PM

I spoke about this recently in regard to Bergoglio’s lack of consent in assuming the Papacy (here) and I trust that these arguments will find consensus among my Brothers in the Episcopate, so that the subversive attack of the Santa Marta sect will finally be revealed.

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The subversive attack of the what?! What about Vatican 2? What about Paul VI? What about modernist heretics? Isn't the subversive attack on the Church coming from those? And it's great to speak about Bergoglio's "lack of consent" (I don't agree with the notion per se, but I'll take it for now), but don't the predecessors of Bergoglio fall under the same problem? This is the problem with Vigano. If he thinks the subversive attack is coming from Bergoglio and something called the Santa Marta, then he really doesn't understand what's going on at all.

This is a long ways from Abp. Lefebvre denouncing the "bastard Mass" and "bastard sacraments", or calling Paul VI the antichrist. Wake me up when Vigano starts making statements like that.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2023, 10:37:21 PM »

He’s talking about today, now, what’s going on presently at the Synod.

dxcat40 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2023, 11:03:14 PM »

It's much more likely that whoever is behind Vigano is just using this to further weaken, divide and further discredit the Catholic Church. The dogmatic sedevacantists on the board might think this is a great thing, but note that the enemy never seems to go after the sedevacantist groups. What the enemy focuses all of its attention on are the visible institutions and organs of the Catholic Church. Vigano uses the same rhetoric from the Russian propaganda and disinformation, and joins his voice with various others on the same spectrum to attack the Church from without and organize the Catholics of the Dissident Right as anti anti-communists analogous to Antifa on the Left.

What the above means is that they are attacking from within and without and Vigano is not really doing anything to convince the majority of anything, but he is accomplishing someone's goals. Considering current events, I would wager it is tied into the universal discrediting of religion in preparation for the coming system, which is being built with the help of the likes of Biden, Putin, Xi and other world leaders in lockstep.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2023, 12:55:44 AM »

Quote from: dxcat40 on October 07, 2023, 11:03:14 PM

It's much more likely that whoever is behind Vigano is just using this to further weaken, divide and further discredit the Catholic Church. The dogmatic sedevacantists on the board might think this is a great thing, but note that the enemy never seems to go after the sedevacantist groups. What the enemy focuses all of its attention on are the visible institutions and organs of the Catholic Church. Vigano uses the same rhetoric from the Russian propaganda and disinformation, and joins his voice with various others on the same spectrum to attack the Church from without and organize the Catholics of the Dissident Right as anti anti-communists analogous to Antifa on the Left.

What the above means is that they are attacking from within and without and Vigano is not really doing anything to convince the majority of anything, but he is accomplishing someone's goals. Considering current events, I would wager it is tied into the universal discrediting of religion in preparation for the coming system, which is being built with the help of the likes of Biden, Putin, Xi and other world leaders in lockstep.

The hierarchy of the Catholic Church was already dismantled at VII when 99% of them declared no need for the First Commandment or the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus.

They left and started a new church where "no Jesus is necessary" since we all go to Heaven now. smh

If that wasn't the Great Apostasy then what on earth could it be?

That doesn't mean the gates of Hell prevailed since the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith is still here.

But it's NOT just not a side chapel in the Pantheon of gods Chrislamic church of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr lead by the demon worshipper in Rome.

Now Vigano has named on several occasions three Katechons (that which holds back the Antichrist):

1. Benedict (who he declared went to Heaven without purgatory

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2. Trump (Vax Daddy holding back the deep state. LOL

)
3. Moscow (the heretical sect there is our "messiah")

His narrative is that the Church was destroyed by the "deep Church" when they took down the "oh so conservative Benedict" and now we must look to the

"Third Rome"-----Moscow. (Dugin also calls Moscow the Katechon)

Plus Vigano has prophesized that Trump will negotiate a peace deal with Putin.

So it appears that the plan is for WWIII to break out and

Vigano could possibly be the fake 3rd secret "bishop in white"

(written by Benedict)

who will have to flee Rome

and where oh where will he go??

Why Moscow of course.

That's where he will likely bring forth the great "Phoenix from the ashes"

the Antichrist

deceiving the elect. (Jorge hasn't deceived them.)

Throw in a bluebeam dancing of the sun event for good measure

oh and a fake Great Monarch to liberate Rome.

Yep, now that would deceive the elect.

Who knows?? Just looking at the clues. LOL

Time will tell.

It's entertaining anyway...

2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2023, 07:05:06 AM »

Quote from: Yeti on October 07, 2023, 10:20:48 PM

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The subversive attack of the what?! What about Vatican 2? What about Paul VI? What about modernist heretics? Isn't the subversive attack on the Church coming from those? And it's great to speak about Bergoglio's "lack of consent" (I don't agree with the notion per se, but I'll take it for now), but don't the predecessors of Bergoglio fall under the same problem? This is the problem with Vigano. If he thinks the subversive attack is coming from Bergoglio and something called the Santa Marta, then he really doesn't understand what's going on at all.

This is a long ways from Abp. Lefebvre denouncing the "bastard Mass" and "bastard sacraments", or calling Paul VI the antichrist. Wake me up when Vigano starts making statements like that.

I hear you. Maybe someone (Lad? Sean?) can post a thread with Vigano's comments specifically regarding Vatican II/previous popes. This way we can really see what he has said on that topic.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2023, 07:36:20 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on October 08, 2023, 07:05:06 AM

I hear you. Maybe someone (Lad? Sean?) can post a thread with Vigano's comments specifically regarding Vatican II/previous popes. This way we can really see what he has said on that topic.

Here’s a great one he wrote against Benedict XVI:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-is-wrong-to-praise-the-diabolical-revolution-of-vatican-ii/

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2023, 07:43:48 AM »

Quote from: dxcat40 on October 07, 2023, 11:03:14 PM

It's much more likely that whoever is behind Vigano is just using this to further weaken, divide and further discredit the Catholic Church.

So, this is the first attempt at establishing a cui bono for the +Vigano conspiracy theory. Unfortunately, though, it's a vague notion that it would "discredit" the Church ... without any adequate explanation about HOW it would "discredit" the Church.

In case you haven't noticed, it's Bergoglio who has been discrediting the Church and declaring him a heretical non-pope is the only way to salvage the reputation of the Church and the papacy. If you've been around on internet forums, you'd notice how many non-Catholics use Bergoglio to smear the Catholic Church.

But here's another one who despises +Vigano for ulterior motives, namely, because +Vigano spoke the truth about the Ukraine and Russia situation.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2023, 07:54:45 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 08, 2023, 07:43:48 AM

So, this is the first attempt at establishing a cui bono for the +Vigano conspiracy theory. Unfortunately, though, it's a vague notion that it would "discredit" the Church ... without any adequate explanation about HOW it would "discredit" the Church.

In case you haven't noticed, it's Bergoglio who has been discrediting the Church and declaring him a heretical non-pope is the only way to salvage the reputation of the Church and the papacy. If you've been around on internet forums, you'd notice how many non-Catholics use Bergoglio to smear the Catholic Church.

But here's another one who despises +Vigano for ulterior motives, namely, because +Vigano spoke the truth about the Ukraine and Russia situation.

Bingo!

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2023, 07:55:48 AM »

Here’s Vigano calling “Montini” a heretic:

“We have confirmation of this democratic and anti-hierarchical vision of the “conciliar church” above all in its liturgy, in which the ministerial role of the celebrant is almost denied in favor of the “priestly people” theorized by Lumen Gentium and put in black and white in the heretical formulation of art. 7 of the Institutio Generalis of the Montini Missal of 1969: “The Lord’s Supper, or Mass, is the sacred synaxis or assembly of the people of God, presided over by the priest, to celebrate the Lord’s memorial. Christ’s promise therefore applies eminently to this local assembly of Holy Church: ‘Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am in the midst of them’ (Mt 18: 20).” What is this, if not self-referentiality to the point of modifying the very definition of the Mass along the lines of that “spirit of the Council” and in contradiction with the dogmatic Canons of the Council of Trent and of the entire Magisterium prior to Vatican II?“

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-the-post-vatican-ii-church-has-almost-entirely-eclipsed-the-church-of-christ/

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #11 on:** October 08, 2023, 07:59:57 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 08, 2023, 07:55:48 AM

Here’s Vigano calling “Montini” a heretic:

“We have confirmation of this democratic and anti-hierarchical vision of the “conciliar church” above all in its liturgy, in which the ministerial role of the celebrant is almost denied in favor of the “priestly people” theorized by Lumen Gentium and put in black and white in the heretical formulation of art. 7 of the Institutio Generalis of the Montini Missal of 1969: “The Lord’s Supper, or Mass, is the sacred synaxis or assembly of the people of God, presided over by the priest, to celebrate the Lord’s memorial. Christ’s promise therefore applies eminently to this local assembly of Holy Church: ‘Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am in the midst of them’ (Mt 18: 20).” What is this, if not self-referentiality to the point of modifying the very definition of the Mass along the lines of that “spirit of the Council” and in contradiction with the dogmatic Canons of the Council of Trent and of the entire Magisterium prior to Vatican II?“

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-the-post-vatican-ii-church-has-almost-entirely-eclipsed-the-church-of-christ/

This is very good, but he didn’t call Montini a heretic.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #12 on:** October 08, 2023, 08:07:48 AM »

Here’s one where he explicitly blames all the conciliar popes:

“It’s true that this situation is a hapax, a case that in itself has never been seen in the history of the Church; but if this applies to the papacy – in a crescendo from Roncalli to Bergoglio – I do not see why it could not apply for Vatican II, which precisely thanks to the recent popes has set itself as an event in itself, and as such has been used by its proponents?”

https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-21-monday-august-10-2020-again-the-council/

DecemRationis · « **Reply #13 on:** October 08, 2023, 08:45:52 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 08, 2023, 08:07:48 AM

Here’s one where he explicitly blames all the conciliar popes:

“It’s true that this situation is a hapax, a case that in itself has never been seen in the history of the Church; but if this applies to the papacy – in a crescendo from Roncalli to Bergoglio – I do not see why it could not apply for Vatican II, which precisely thanks to the recent popes has set itself as an event in itself, and as such has been used by its proponents?”

https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-21-monday-august-10-2020-again-the-council/

That is precisely my point: Bergoglio an antipope - page 9 - Crisis in the Church - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com)

This is an end time phenomenon that makes all this arguing about "the pope is not pope" and the "Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church" a waste of time. And I do understand that, if true, the endless debates here on those issues would cease . . . if others here adopted that view, 90% of the threads, the discussion, would disappear. There'd be a lot of twiddling of thumbs without discussions on those and related topics. So I get it . . . what would be the fun of that?

But Scripture forecasts these days. There are "four horns" - I don't take the number literally; it means a full or complete plurality of the instant group - that rise out of the beast, and Bergolio may be the last, the "false prophet" or "little horn," of the beast's horns. Daniel 7:7-8, Daniel 8:8-9, Daniel 11:21 ("the one despised"), Apocalypse 13.

In any event, the time will be like no other, even with pope(s) who are not popes, bishops who are not bishops . . . those of Israel that are not Israelites. Rom. 9:6. But even then, as odd as that may seem, how strange, even then it is "Not as though the word of God has miscarried." Id.

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Matthew 24:21 For there shall be then great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be.

Yes, even pope(s) who are not popes, etc.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #14 on:** October 08, 2023, 09:34:52 AM »

Quote from: dxcat40 on October 07, 2023, 11:03:14 PM

The dogmatic sedevacantists on the board might think this is a great thing ...

Again, you just make this up. If you've been following the debate here on CI, you would have noticed that it's predominantly the "dogmatic sedevacantists" who are the most hostile to +Vigano. Apart from them, you have Meg, who despises all things sedevacantist and Miser because he said a good word or two about Trump here or there, and now you because of what he said about the war in Ukraine. But, no, by and large, the dogmatic SVs are not "on board."

You'll find that Sean and I tend to be +Vigano's strongest supporters here, and Sean is squarely R&R, while I am anti-dogmatic-SV and consider myself to be in the middle, a sedeprivationist/impoundist or sede-doubtist. For me, the primary consideration is in fact, as you said, the reputation of the Church. So it's precisely the opposite of what you claim. Protestants are using the Bergoglio "pontificate" to have a field day in smearing the Church, on account of Jorge's promotion of sodomy, his religious indifferentism (I've seen Prots call him a heretic for denying the necessity of faith in Christ for salvation), his promotion of the globalist agenda, climate change nonsense, the jab, etc. So it's Bergoglio who's bringing disgrace upon the papacy ... and not +Vigano. In fact, when I've argued with Prots online who are using Bergoglio to attack the Catholic Church, I simply respond by saying that Bergoglio is not a Catholic pope but an infiltrator who usurped the papacy.

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