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Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
« Reply #90 on: September 25, 2020, 07:34:57 PM »
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #91 on: September 25, 2020, 08:25:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on September 25, 2020, 07:00:25 PM
    You have to believe the teachings of Trent by virtue of it being an Ecuмenical Council. Not by your own reason. Rejecting Trent is heresy, and accepting Trent because you agree with it and not because it's an Ecuмenical Council is rejecting the rule of faith.

    I am wondering about the amount of private judgment you're capable of!
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #92 on: September 25, 2020, 08:32:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on September 25, 2020, 07:34:57 PM
    Archbishop Vigano we will remain in the Church and fight the modernists:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/archbishop-vigano-we-will-remain-in-the-church-fight-the-modernists-who-undermine-the-faith?utm_source=blogger_articles


    Quote from: lifesitenews claiming to render that phantom called Viganò
    'It is not the traditional faithful – that is, true Catholics, in the words of Saint Pius X – that must abandon the Church in which they have the full right to remain and from which it would be unfortunate to separate; but rather the Modernists who usurp the Catholic name, precisely because it is only the bureaucratic element that permits them not to be considered on a par with any heretical sect.'

    Quote from: Rev 18:4
    And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #93 on: September 25, 2020, 08:38:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on September 25, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
    I am wondering about the amount of private judgment you're capable of!
    "no u" is not an argument. 

    Keep promoting Protestant heresy if you want; I can't stop you. But it ruins your credibility.
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #94 on: September 25, 2020, 08:40:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on September 25, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
    Keep promoting Protestant heresy if you want; I can't stop you. But it ruins your credibility.

    Well, you're littering me with your own protestant private judgments. Good luck with your own credibility!

    Given your approach, you should post videos and tweets of Pope Jorge!
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #95 on: September 25, 2020, 08:42:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on September 25, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
    Keep promoting Protestant heresy if you want . . . 

    At the least a tad bit rash, no?
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    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #96 on: September 25, 2020, 08:49:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on September 25, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
    "no u" is not an argument.

    So what? An argument would be private judgment.
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #97 on: September 25, 2020, 08:54:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on September 25, 2020, 08:42:36 PM
    At the least a tad bit rash, no?
    Saying you can pick and choose which dogma you want to believe is objectively heretical. 
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #98 on: September 25, 2020, 08:55:09 PM »
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    • Look, forlorn, the "private judgment" thing is about private interpretation of the depositum fidei. Or, for protestants, about private interpretation of Scripture.

    As Catholics, we have a Magisterium who is competent to do the interpretation. But then, after the Magisterium has done the interpretation, then interpretation is over and dogma has begun. With dogma, there is no more interpretation. To claim that dogma needs interpretation again, is nonsensical because it would lead to an infinite regress.
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #99 on: September 25, 2020, 08:56:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on September 25, 2020, 08:40:39 PM
    Given your approach, you should post videos and tweets of Pope Jorge!
    You and Sean should get in touch sometimes. You're both two sides of the same coin. Whenever he can't defend his position, he screams about sedevacantism. Whenever you can't defend yourself, you scream about "Jorge".

    It doesn't matter that I quoted you regarding Trent, to which the V2 popes are completely irrelevant. You still resort to your usual way of dodging an argument regardless. 
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #100 on: September 25, 2020, 08:57:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on September 25, 2020, 08:55:09 PM
    Look, forlorn, the "private judgment" thing is about private interpretation of the depositum fidei. Or, for protestants, about private interpretation of Scripture.

    As Catholics, we have a Magisterium who is competent to do the interpretation. But then, after the Magisterium has done the interpretation, then interpretation is over and dogma has begun. With dogma, there is no more interpretation. To claim that dogma needs interpretation again, is nonsensical because it would lead to an infinite regress.
    Exactly. Of which Trent is a part. We have to accept Trent unequivocally, not after going through it and deciding if we agree with it line by line.
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #101 on: September 25, 2020, 09:01:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on September 25, 2020, 08:54:06 PM
    Saying you can pick and choose which dogma you want to believe is objectively heretical.

    You have a "Magisterium" currently interpreting your dogma for you.  

    Why don't you just pack it in and go off to the Novus Ordo?
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    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #102 on: September 25, 2020, 09:07:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on September 25, 2020, 08:57:54 PM
    Exactly. Which Trent is a part. We have to accept Trent unequivocally, not after going through it and deciding if we agree with it line by line.

    Why not go through Trent line by line, to find out whether there are inner contradictions or contradictions against earlier Church teaching? Paul IV did warn: false shepherds ahead!
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #103 on: September 25, 2020, 09:07:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on September 25, 2020, 09:01:25 PM
    You have a "Magisterium" currently interpreting your dogma for you.  

    Why don't you just pack it in and go off to the Novus Ordo?

    Yes, why forlorn?
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    Re: +Vigano Equates Vatican II with False Council of Pistoia
    « Reply #104 on: September 25, 2020, 09:10:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on September 25, 2020, 09:01:25 PM
    You have a "Magisterium" currently interpreting your dogma for you.  

    Why don't you just pack it in and go off to the Novus Ordo?
    I don't, and clearly you haven't read the argument at all, because I never brought up "interpreting dogma" at all. 
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