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Offline Infirmus

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Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
« on: November 16, 2024, 08:23:55 PM »
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  • Vigano should be smart enough to know that there is no such thing as democracy anymore, the masonic puppet masters only put in power those that they want. Selection day happens way before election day. More proof that Vigano is most likely a plant, especially proven by his radical slap in the face with his sede slide in the rabbit hole.

    Offline Incredulous

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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #1 on: November 16, 2024, 09:10:58 PM »
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  • I don't know... why you didn't you believe the Archbishop's 2020, prophetic warning that Trump, a"World Wrestling Hall of Fame" member was, "... the last hope for Western Civilization" ?


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2024, 09:51:21 PM »
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  • Vigano should be smart enough to know that there is no such thing as democracy anymore, the masonic puppet masters only put in power those that they want. Selection day happens way before election day. More proof that Vigano is most likely a plant, especially proven by his radical slap in the face with his sede slide in the rabbit hole.

    You're just on some wicked malicious crusade against all sedevacantists.  By that standard, the 99% of all Trad clergy who held that it's lict, and even obligatory, to vote for Trump ... including Bishop Williamson who declared it a victory for common sense ... are "plants".

    Take your filth elsewhere.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #3 on: November 17, 2024, 06:57:43 AM »
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  • I'd like to point out the irony, or, rather, hypocrisy of you ranting about Masonic puppetry and plants ... while constantly carrying water for the OBVIOUS Masonic / Jєωιѕн plants that are obvious ... in having infiltrated the Church and the papacy.  From Roncalli on, we've had nothing but infiltrators pretending to be Popes, and yet you carry their water with your mindless vapid denunciations of SVism.

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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #4 on: November 17, 2024, 09:09:16 PM »
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  • You're just on some wicked malicious crusade against all sedevacantists.  By that standard, the 99% of all Trad clergy who held that it's lict, and even obligatory, to vote for Trump ... including Bishop Williamson who declared it a victory for common sense ... are "plants".

    Take your filth elsewhere.
    Wicked a Malicious hmmmm
    And what do sedes say about Archbishop Lefebvre? They put Thuc on a pedestal and call Archbishop Lefebvre wishywashy. Making bishops for a cult and for 2 different types of sedes gets you on a pedestal. 
    First time in my life I had to deal with sedes so I look into it and find mumbo jumbo. 


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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #5 on: November 17, 2024, 10:26:46 PM »
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  • Wicked a Malicious hmmmm
    And what do sedes say about Archbishop Lefebvre? They put Thuc on a pedestal and call Archbishop Lefebvre wishywashy. Making bishops for a cult and for 2 different types of sedes gets you on a pedestal.
    First time in my life I had to deal with sedes so I look into it and find mumbo jumbo.

    Your posts are also incoherent, showing your low IQ.  You come in here slandering good bishops like Pivarunas (whose name you failed to spell correctly the first 4-5 times you tried and yet were pontificating about his lack of qualifications).

    Get lost.

    Again, the absurd irony of you carrying water for the Masonic infiltrators of the papacy while denouncing how many are not "smart enough" to see that politics have been taken over by the Masons.  So has the Papacy, moron ... it's been infiltrated by a series of Antipopes, and you're "not smart enough" to see it and don't have enough Catholic faith in the indefectibility of the Church to realize that the Papacy is protected by the Holy Ghost and cannot destroy the Church (something Lefebvre also taught ... but which you liars who pretend to be his followers reject).

    +Lefebfre repeatedly stated that the Holy Ghost protects the papacy from this degree of destruction, and that SV is a possible answer.  It was only for a few years in the early 1980s that he did not believe that SV was very possible.

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #6 on: November 17, 2024, 10:56:33 PM »
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  • Yet another troll!

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #7 on: November 18, 2024, 07:25:32 AM »
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  • Yet another troll!

    Yeah, he started slandering Bishop Pivarunas left and right without any justification ... and the first several times he attempted it, he had 3 spelling mistakes in his last name, indicating how knowledgeable he was about Bishop Pivarunas.

    Now he's attacking +Vigano (because +Vigano went at-least-semi-sede) but then ignoring Bishop Williamson, who also stated this this vote was a "victory for common sense" ... who gets a pass because he's not sedevacantist.

    Then he talks about plants and Masonic infiltrators, saying how only a plant would not "know" that politics has been taken over by them, and yet it's very obvious that the same Jєωιѕн-Masonic infiltrators have infiltrated the Church and the papacy ... but he constantly defends those guys while attacking SVs.

    It's obvious that he just has some contempt for the SVs, and seems to have some personal animosity against Bishop Pivarunas (while taking passing shots at other SVs).

    While I disagree with Bishop Pivarunas on quite a few issues, some of them emphatically, I've watched him speak (at least online) many times and he seems like a very knowledgeable, competent, well-trained, and sincere individual, a good priest who cares about the salvation of souls.  We can disagree with individuals on their positions without slandering them.


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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #8 on: November 18, 2024, 08:48:57 AM »
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  • +Lefebfre repeatedly stated that the Holy Ghost protects the papacy from this degree of destruction, and that SV is a possible answer.  It was only for a few years in the early 1980s that he did not believe that SV was very possible.

    Archbishop Lefebvre wrote against sedevacantism in his very last book called "Open Letter to Confused Catholics," published, I believe, in 1992. It's not true that he was only against sedevacantism in the early 1980's. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #9 on: November 18, 2024, 09:06:12 AM »
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  • Archbishop Lefebvre wrote against sedevacantism in his very last book called "Open Letter to Confused Catholics," published, I believe, in 1992. It's not true that he was only against sedevacantism in the early 1980's.

    Such "waffling" in a competent and trustworthy prelate should lead you to understand that there is no place for dogmatic SVism and no place for dogmatic anti-SVism.


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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #10 on: November 18, 2024, 09:56:37 AM »
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  • Such "waffling" in a competent and trustworthy prelate should lead you to understand that there is no place for dogmatic SVism and no place for dogmatic anti-SVism.

    Waffling may mean that the situation was not settled in his mind, as it seems to be settled in the mind of sedevacantists. The Crisis is such that the situation with the state of the papacy is not completely clear. +ABL said many times that the Crisis is a mystery, and that he didn't have all of the answers. At least he had the humility to see that. The sedevacantists, on the other hand, believe that they have it all figured out, and that no one should be allowed to firmly speak against sedevacantism.  
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #11 on: November 18, 2024, 02:16:10 PM »
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  • Such "waffling" in a competent and trustworthy prelate should lead you to understand that there is no place for dogmatic SVism and no place for dogmatic anti-SVism.
    Why?  It's just their opinion.  

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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #12 on: November 18, 2024, 09:43:00 PM »
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  • Your posts are also incoherent, showing your low IQ.  You come in here slandering good bishops like Pivarunas
    I never said I was an intellectual like you are, I can't wish I was or I would be rejecting God's Will of what brains God gave me which seem to be quite less than what you have, be grateful what you have. Anyway Pivarunas was mostly trained as a priest with Schuckardt as the cult leader, just a fact, and the fact raises the question what formation did he receive? Don't have to be a highfaluting intellect like you to observe that, now do ya?!

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    Re: Vigano endorsed Trump in the election
    « Reply #13 on: November 19, 2024, 02:17:09 PM »
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    Lad: You're just on some wicked malicious crusade against all sedevacantists.  By that standard, the 99% of all Trad clergy who held that it's lict, and even obligatory, to vote for Trump ... including Bishop Williamson who declared it a victory for common sense ... are "plants".


    Yes to this.  We traditionals have very few choices.  We scratch around confusedly for members of the Catholic hierarchy to follow.  I personally come up with only three, whom to follow presently.  There are others I'm sure.  But three clerics come to mind now: Abp. Carlo Maria Vigano, Bp. Williamson and, perhaps, Bp Pivuranus.  These men have their feet on the ground, so I tend to gravitate towards them.
    Abp. Lefebvre is dead.  Thus, we can only speculate what might be his reactions today about the current and dire situation in the Church and in the world.