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Offline Stubborn

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Re: +Vigano Crushes It
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2023, 01:09:33 PM »
This one might signal to Rome that they can wait no longer:

Previously, he was discrediting and undermining the conciliar church, but now he's undermining the council upon which it is predicated.

They're forced to chop his head off now: If many began to question whether V2 was really an ecuмenical council, it would be the death of the revolution.

If Vigano can cause that to happen, with merely the power of his pen, it alone will preserve his name among the greatest confessors in the hostory of the Church (in direct proportion as his writings would counter and conquer the greatest crisis in the history of the Church).

:pray:
It probably depends if they want to make an example of him or not. Timing might not be right to make an example of him yet. If he ever makes it into the msm headlines, that will do it I bet.

Re: +Vigano Crushes It
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2023, 01:15:29 PM »
"It is a battle that will be strengthened spiritually in the clandestinity of priests who are faithful to Christ, who are considered to be excommunicated and schismatics, while inside the churches, along with the reformed rite, infidelity, error, and hypocrisy will triumph...We will soon understand the meaning of the terrible words of the Gospel (Mt 24:15), in which the Lord speaks of the abomination of desolation in the temple: the abominable horror of seeing the treasure of the Mass proscribed, our altars stripped, our churches closed, and our liturgical ceremonies forced into clandestinity. This is the abomination of desolation: the end of the Apostolic Mass."

He describes the Resistance^^^


Re: +Vigano Crushes It
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2023, 01:18:41 PM »
The man sounds so much like the real +Lefebvre (versus the sanitized, branded, "man of the Church" Lefebvre marketed by the neo-SSPX since 2009).

No wonder the neo-SSPX wants nothing to do with Vigano.

He's bad for our aspirations of getting "appwooved!"

In which case Vigano's words will apply to them:

"...those who believed that they could serve two masters – the Church of Christ and the conciliar church – will discover that they have been deceived, just as happened to the conciliar Fathers before them. At that point they will have to make the choice that they deluded themselves into believing that they could avoid: a choice which will force them either to disobey an illicit order in order to obey the Lord, or else to bow their head to the will of the tyrant while failing in their duties as ministers of God. Let them reflect, in their examination of conscience, about how many have avoided supporting the few, very few of their brother priests who have been faithful to their own Priesthood [i.e., Resistance] even though they have been singled out as disobedient or inflexible simply because they foresaw the deception and the blackmail."

Re: +Vigano Crushes It
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2023, 01:42:18 PM »
The essense of +Vigano's argument against the ecuмenicity of Vatican II is this:

"The convocation of an Ecuмenical Council has as its purpose the solemn convocation of the Bishops of the Church, under the authority of the Roman Pontiff, to define particular aspects of doctrine, morals, liturgy or ecclesiastical discipline. But what each Council defines must in any case fall within the scope of Tradition and cannot in any way contradict the immutable Magisterium, because if it did so it would go against the purpose that legitimizes authority in the Church."

So, two criteria:

1) It must define or settle something (morals, doctrine, discipline);

2) What it defines must fall within the scope of Traddition (Congar said Dignitatis Humanae represented materially the opposite of several provisions of the Syllabus of Pius IX).

Clearly, Vatican II fails these crieria, so how can it pass itself off as an ecuмenical council?

The council is not legitimate, as Vigano explains:

"All this stems from a postulate that almost everyone takes for granted: that Vatican II can claim the authority of an Ecuмenical Council, before which the faithful are supposed to suspend all judgment and humbly bow their heads to the will of Christ, infallibly expressed by the Sacred Pastors, even if in a “pastoral” and not dogmatic form. But this is not the case, because the Sacred Pastors may be being deceived by a colossal conspiracy that has as its purpose the subversive use of a Council."

Therefore, since Vatican II didn't do what ecuмenical councils do (i.e., define or settle something), and moreover, what it did do contradicts Tradition, it represents a colossal illegitimate use of authority contrary to its purpose, and consequently, Vatican II is not an ecuмenical council.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Vigano Crushes It
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2023, 01:44:38 PM »
I never thought of that!

Yeah, just thought of that now myself.  Might be worth a try, but then who knows if he's any easier to get a hold of.