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Re: ++Vigano Conference: City of the Devil
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2020, 12:13:42 PM »
That unfortunate Catholic Identity Conference. Tradecuмenism.

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Re: ++Vigano Conference: City of the Devil
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2020, 12:25:08 PM »
Why, oh Why do some people wait til they are old and gray, retired, and then say oh, the Church is the City of  the Devil?

Viagno just yaks and yaks and what is his solution?  Why does he say, oh, for 60 years... and where was he in those 60 years?  Does he go to confession to say oh, I am so sorry for serving the demons for 60 years?

So, what is all his yacking about!  Does he have life to give to the people, for their souls, with any kind of sacrament called, Precious Blood?  No. He talks like a politician.  Then he has nothing to offer the souls of man, not even his own.  So, very strange!
I want to say the same, but we need to remember songbird that he just woke up, and archbishop or not, he has much yet to learn. Right now he is something more than a conservative NOer and less than a true trad. He has a lifetime of brainwashing in liberalism that he has to work through, give him time.


Re: ++Vigano Conference: City of the Devil
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2020, 12:46:39 PM »
I would draw readers' attention to two brief paragraphs that embody the care that ++Viganò characteristically takes in his analyses, evaluations, and accusations. I refer to the paragraphs that begin at "Obviously, there are not two Churches" and end at "the eternal struggle between Light and Darkness, Good and Evil, God and Satan." It is here that the archbishop implicitly distinguishes between the birth of the present crisis within the Church and its extended historical gestation, a process that, as he states, ought to be thought of as beginning with the Enlightenment.

There is great care and significance, too, in his references to Modernism, which serve to underline the identity of the already deeply rooted phenomenon denounced by Pius X in Pascendi and its full flowering half a century later in the work of the council. Modern-day men and women have been trained to think of "the distant past" as a term that refers, at the utmost extent, to the time when their parents were adolescents. This, of course, is how the Jews and the other enemies of the Cross want us to think about history—namely, as a chalkboard that gets erased on virtually a daily basis. The fact that the present pope also plainly wishes us to think this way lends further supports to the thesis that he is, to adopt a phrase used by ++Viganò that affords the most generous interpretation, at least carrying water for the Enemy of God.

Re: ++Vigano Conference: City of the Devil
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2020, 12:50:19 PM »
I want to say the same, but we need to remember songbird that he just woke up, and archbishop or not, he has much yet to learn. Right now he is something more than a conservative NOer and less than a true trad. He has a lifetime of brainwashing in liberalism that he has to work through, give him time.
I absolutely disagree with this. Have you listened to his speech? He may not be operating with the SSPX-MC or CMRI, but that doesn't qualify him as not a "true trad". And I'm sorry to say, but if you think that any of us are beyond liberal brainwashing influence, then I don't know what to tell you. 
A few things he's mentioned: 

-Untold Praise for +ABL's foresight and fight
-Condemn's VII for what it truly was- a robber council
-Calls out the "deep church"
I get it. This Churchman doesn't see eye-to-eye with your every view and synopsis of the Crisis. But trads need to show a little humility and admit they don't have all the answers and have it all figured out. We're pretty good at eating our own, I think that history has more than proven that. 
There IS a reason that trads have a reputation for a lack of charity. It ain't all made up by liberal Catholics, let me tell you. 
We need to have humility. We need to admit that we may not have all the answers, and be weary of those who propose to. If you're a sedevecantist, maybe I'm not speaking to you as much and I guess you shouldn't be reading this anyways. But for the rest of us, I'm not saying this is the Restoration of the Church. But it's a step in the right direction. 

Also, I get condemning "trad-cuмenism". But I've seen no evidence of anyone one at Matt's convention is relinquishing  their values or positions for the sake of "trad-cuмenism". Perhaps, just perhaps, they realize the necessity of Catholic unity. Much as is sometimes found on this website. We don't condemn ourselves of Tradcuмenism here, yet sedevecantists, sedeprivationists, CMRI-SSPX-SSPXMC-SSPV-FSSP goers all agree in some sort of unity. 
Alright, off my soapbox. Let'er rip!

Re: ++Vigano Conference: City of the Devil
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2020, 01:43:47 PM »

“The religion of the God who became man has met the religion (for such it is) of man who makes himself God. And what happened? Was there a clash, a battle, a condemnation? There could have been, but there was none." (Pope Paul VI)

This statement affords yet another glimpse* into what is, to me at least, the essentially unfathomable mind of Paul VI. It is almost as if his perceptions and his conscience ran on parallel tracks separated by a twenty-foot-high brick wall: he seems to have understood fully the sacrilegious wickedness of the process that he and the council had put in train, yet aside from drawing a line (in Humanae vitae) short of adopting the entire agenda of the sɛҳuąƖ revolution, he either implemented or enabled every facet of the conciliar creation of a new religion. No wonder Francis canonized him!
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*Along with, for example, the famous "smoke of Satan" letter and parts of Humanae vitae.