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Re: +Vigano can Prove Sede Vacante?
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2023, 05:14:51 PM »
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  • I am always reminded of this ...


    I doctored up a similar one years ago, a couple years into Bergoglio's term of "office", that showed Ratzinger doing the same "Miss me yet?" pose.

    After Jorge, people yearn for the "good old days" of Ratzinger or view JP2 as the "pillar of orthodoxy".

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    « Reply #16 on: August 14, 2023, 05:41:24 PM »
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  • There is no human solution to the problem in the Church, Ladislaus. But, on a personal level, recognizing that Bergoglio is the guy that the prophecies are talking about might get an individual to focus on preparing his soul for the Second Coming instead of being obsessed with "earthly matters." And if the person thinks he is already prepared, then he should help those around him to prepare their souls for Our Lord's Presence.

    As St. Paul says, the "apostasy" is THE sign to look for. It is here. The bad fruit from the tree planted in the 1960s is completely ripe now. Great spiritual trials are immediately ahead, coming in the next few years. Many souls will be lost for lack of preparation, lack of seeing the true enemy for who he is and compromising with his agenda. And even "the elect" will be tempted to do this, if they are not aware of who the deceiver is. Bergoglio is that deceiver.

    That is why we need to focus on him. The Bible tells us to focus on him.
    A person should always be prepared regardless of the crisis. As our Lord said, paraphrasing, watch always.


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    « Reply #17 on: August 14, 2023, 06:20:18 PM »
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    There is no human solution to the problem in the Church, Ladislaus. But, on a personal level, recognizing that Bergoglio is the guy that the prophecies are talking about might get an individual to focus on preparing his soul for the Second Coming instead of being obsessed with "earthly matters." 

    2nd coming??  This is very protestant thinking, man.


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    And if the person thinks he is already prepared, then he should help those around him to prepare their souls for Our Lord's Presence.
    Catholics prepare for Our Lord's presence, every time they go to Holy Mass, and receive Him in Holy Communion.


    Even if this is the time of the antichrist (which it's not, though there are many parallels), after the antichrist is killed, there is a long period of peace, the social kingship of Christ on earth, where the Church has another rebirth.  THEN, after all of this happens, some say there is a final time of revolt against God, and then Christ returns to end the world.

    The point is, even if antichrist arrived on the scene tomorrow, it's a long, long time before Christ comes again at the end of the world.  Those who live through antichrist probably won't be alive long enough to see the 2nd coming.

    Your timeline is very protestant and very wrong.

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    Re: +Vigano can Prove Sede Vacante?
    « Reply #18 on: August 14, 2023, 07:08:36 PM »
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  • 2nd coming??  This is very protestant thinking, man.

    Catholics prepare for Our Lord's presence, every time they go to Holy Mass, and receive Him in Holy Communion.


    Even if this is the time of the antichrist (which it's not, though there are many parallels), after the antichrist is killed, there is a long period of peace, the social kingship of Christ on earth, where the Church has another rebirth.  THEN, after all of this happens, some say there is a final time of revolt against God, and then Christ returns to end the world.

    The point is, even if antichrist arrived on the scene tomorrow, it's a long, long time before Christ comes again at the end of the world.  Those who live through antichrist probably won't be alive long enough to see the 2nd coming.

    Your timeline is very protestant and very wrong.

    Pax, the Second Coming is Catholic Dogma. It is mentioned in the Creed where we say, "he shall come to judge the living and the dead." His coming in the Eucharist is different. You might find this helpful:

    St. Bernard of Clairvaux, who upon reflecting on that passage from John, says:

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    “We have come to know a threefold coming of the Lord. The third coming takes place between the other two [adventus medius]… his first coming was in the flesh and in weakness, this intermediary coming is in the spirit and in power, the last coming will be in glory and majesty” (In Adventu Domini).

    Your sequence of events is not wrong, IMO. The period of peace, however, is probably very short (a handful of weeks, not years). The Warning happens before this Period of Peace, then, after this short Period of Peace, Satan is let loose again for the final "revolt against God," as you say. 

    Exactly what all of that means is bound up in mystery. Watch and pray, Pax. You don't want to be caught off guard. The time is now. Bergoglio is the Man of Sin, plain and simple.


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    « Reply #19 on: August 14, 2023, 07:22:18 PM »
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    The time is now. Bergoglio is the Man of Sin, plain and simple.
    You need to read more of the Church Fathers.  The antichrist will undoubtedly be near 30 years old when he takes power, and reign for 3.5 years to mock Christ.  He will also win military battles at a young age and be a prodigy.  When did any of this happen?  When did the 7 kings conquer the 3 moral kings and then give power to the antichrist, like the Apocalypse says?  When was the 3rd Temple built, or did i miss that?  When was the gospel preached over the whole world and when did every nation profess the Faith, which is infallibly to happen BEFORE antichrist comes?  What about Ireland and the flooding 7 years before antichrist, which St Patrick foretold?  Did I miss that?


    Bergoglio is certainly a type of antichrist but not THE guy.  You need to read more of the Church Fathers.


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    Re: +Vigano can Prove Sede Vacante?
    « Reply #20 on: August 14, 2023, 09:13:58 PM »
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  • You need to read more of the Church Fathers.  The antichrist will undoubtedly be near 30 years old when he takes power, and reign for 3.5 years to mock Christ.  He will also win military battles at a young age and be a prodigy.  When did any of this happen?  When did the 7 kings conquer the 3 moral kings and then give power to the antichrist, like the Apocalypse says?  When was the 3rd Temple built, or did i miss that?  When was the gospel preached over the whole world and when did every nation profess the Faith, which is infallibly to happen BEFORE antichrist comes?  What about Ireland and the flooding 7 years before antichrist, which St Patrick foretold?  Did I miss that?


    Bergoglio is certainly a type of antichrist but not THE guy.  You need to read more of the Church Fathers.

    You are reading prophecies too literally:

    1. Bergoglio became a "bishop" in June 1992. He took over, uncontested, at BXVI's death in December 2022. 30 years.

    2. The reign of 3.5 years has most likely already begun, starting at Benedict's death. 

    3. The "military" battles are against "the Church Militant." It is a spiritual war for souls.

    4. The "worldlings" already think "Pope Francis" is a prodigy. More to come. Watch when he negotiates "world peace."

    5. The 10 "kings" (horns) are the 9 Cardinals on the Council of Cardinal Advisors (C9) plus Bergoglio. 3 were dropped in 2018.

    6. The 7 heads of the Beast (not to be confused with the "horns") are the legitimate Popes from Pius XI through BXVI. The "eighth who is of the seven but goes to perdition (Apoc. 17:11)" is Bergoglio.

    7. Third temple is the Synodal Church, the perfect realization of the modernist-ecuмenist errors seeded back in the 1960s.

    8. Gospel is preached over the whole world through the Internet. The Warning will fill in the gaps. Most who convert will not persevere.

    9. Flooding is a figurative metaphor for "the sea" (the world) taking over "the land" (the Church) in Ireland, which has happened. Look at abortion and same sex marriage in Ireland.


    I understand that you don't believe me. Just keep an open mind. Pray about it. Watch what he does. It will become more and more clear if you look for the right things. But if you are looking for a political world dictator who turns the world into a dystopia, that is not the Antichrist.

    The Antichrist is the final antipope of the Counterfeit Catholic Church, deceiving people with counterfeit sacraments and leading them to hell by making them think they can commit mortal sins without concern. 

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    « Reply #21 on: August 14, 2023, 09:21:21 PM »
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    But if you are looking for a political world dictator who turns the world into a dystopia, that is not the Antichrist.
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    « Reply #22 on: August 14, 2023, 09:27:31 PM »
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    Description of the Antichrist in St. Hildegard von Bingen (1173 AD)

    The Antichrist will indeed be infused by the devil when he opens his mouth to teach perversity, as described above. He will destroy all that God established with the ancient and the new law, and he will assert that sɛҳuąƖ immorality and other like things are not sins at all. For he will claim that it is not a sin if flesh heats up flesh, just as it is not a sin if a person warms himself by the fire. He will also assert that all commandments concerning chastity were made in ignorance, for since one person may be hot but another cold, they ought to moderate one another with their heat and cold.

    And again he will say to the faithful,

    “Your law of sɛҳuąƖ restraint was established contrary to the way of nature. Is a person not supposed to be hot, when his very breath is a fire that kindles his whole body? How could he keep his cool when it’s against his nature? Conversely, what reason could a person have to refuse to offer warmth to another’s flesh? For that man who you say is your master gave you a law that goes beyond measure when he bid you to live in such a way. But I say, embrace these two paths of hot and cold, and keep each other in your warm embrace? Consider that the man just mentioned gave you unjust commands, for despite his order that people not embrace one another with such warmth, they still maintained the nature of their flesh. So see here and do not be misled any longer by an unjust teaching, for with me you get to do whatever you want or not. Your master did not set before you correct propositions; he wanted you to be like a spirit that is unbound by the flesh and cannot physically do anything. But that’s not how naturally-born human flesh was created; rather its flooded and formed by fire, because if human children weren’t created in that way, they wouldn’t be capable of physical action. So know then what you really are! For your first teacher deceived you and didn’t help you in anything. But I inspire you really to learn about yourselves and to know what you are, for I created you, and I am completely in all things. In assigning all his works to another, meanwhile, that one spoke nothing on his own because he couldn’t do anything on his own. But I speak for myself, and I can do all things by myself.”

    With these words and others like them, that wretched son of perdition will mislead people, teaching them to live according to the flesh’s fiery appetite and to achieve their flesh’s every want--despite the fact that both the old and the new law encourage humans to chastity in such a way that chastity does not surpass its proper measure.

    The Fathers of the Church, Mediaeval Continuation, Volume 18. St. Hildegard Von Bingen, The Book of Divine Works. Pages 466-467, Part III, Vision 5, Chapter 30 (in part).



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    Re: +Vigano can Prove Sede Vacante?
    « Reply #23 on: August 15, 2023, 06:44:20 AM »
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  • The (completely rash) thought occurred to me that that might even be a deliberate strategy of Francis’s handlers):

    By getting rid of Francis, but going no further back, the suggestion is that there’s nothing to worry about in his predecessors (aren’t three of them “saints?!”), and the revolution is therefore strengthened and solidified.
    This is where my mind went as well although I'm not convinced it is "Francis' handlers".  It could be a cardinal who privately believes in Bennyvacantism (and is completely on board with Vatican II) who wants to promote that idea.

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    « Reply #24 on: August 15, 2023, 06:50:05 AM »
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  • Description of the Antichrist in St. Hildegard von Bingen (1173 AD)

    The Antichrist will indeed be infused by the devil when he opens his mouth to teach perversity, as described above. He will destroy all that God established with the ancient and the new law, and he will assert that sɛҳuąƖ immorality and other like things are not sins at all. For he will claim that it is not a sin if flesh heats up flesh, just as it is not a sin if a person warms himself by the fire. He will also assert that all commandments concerning chastity were made in ignorance, for since one person may be hot but another cold, they ought to moderate one another with their heat and cold.

    And again he will say to the faithful,

    “Your law of sɛҳuąƖ restraint was established contrary to the way of nature. Is a person not supposed to be hot, when his very breath is a fire that kindles his whole body? How could he keep his cool when it’s against his nature? Conversely, what reason could a person have to refuse to offer warmth to another’s flesh? For that man who you say is your master gave you a law that goes beyond measure when he bid you to live in such a way. But I say, embrace these two paths of hot and cold, and keep each other in your warm embrace? Consider that the man just mentioned gave you unjust commands, for despite his order that people not embrace one another with such warmth, they still maintained the nature of their flesh. So see here and do not be misled any longer by an unjust teaching, for with me you get to do whatever you want or not. Your master did not set before you correct propositions; he wanted you to be like a spirit that is unbound by the flesh and cannot physically do anything. But that’s not how naturally-born human flesh was created; rather its flooded and formed by fire, because if human children weren’t created in that way, they wouldn’t be capable of physical action. So know then what you really are! For your first teacher deceived you and didn’t help you in anything. But I inspire you really to learn about yourselves and to know what you are, for I created you, and I am completely in all things. In assigning all his works to another, meanwhile, that one spoke nothing on his own because he couldn’t do anything on his own. But I speak for myself, and I can do all things by myself.”

    With these words and others like them, that wretched son of perdition will mislead people, teaching them to live according to the flesh’s fiery appetite and to achieve their flesh’s every want--despite the fact that both the old and the new law encourage humans to chastity in such a way that chastity does not surpass its proper measure.

    The Fathers of the Church, Mediaeval Continuation, Volume 18. St. Hildegard Von Bingen, The Book of Divine Works. Pages 466-467, Part III, Vision 5, Chapter 30 (in part).

    I don't see anywhere in the quote above which says that THE antichrist will be a pope.

    All of the conciliar Popes have led people astray, not just Francis. Otherwise, Archbishop Lefebvre (and others) would not have taken the course of action that he (they) did.

    They have all been infused by Modernist ideals. Francis is more upfront and bold about it, of course. It's likely going to get worse than it is. There still are not women ordained as priests or deacons in the conciliar church, but that may be coming. Nor is it yet the norm for married men to be ordained. I don't think that these will happen under Francis, but I could be wrong. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    « Reply #25 on: August 15, 2023, 09:20:18 AM »
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    I don't see anywhere in the quote above which says that THE antichrist will be a pope.
    Right, this is a protestant lie.  The antichrist will create a one-world, man-made, humanistic religion (i.e. an anti-church).  His one-world govt and one-world anti-church will work together to spread evil, lies and abominations across the globe.  But...the Catholic Church will still remain, and, as St Malachy's prophecies tell us, there will be a pope in the last days to nurture the faithful.  God will also send the world Enoch and Elias to work miracles, preach the gospel and rebuke the evils of the day.  


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  • I don't see anywhere in the quote above which says that THE antichrist will be a pope.

    All of the conciliar Popes have led people astray, not just Francis. Otherwise, Archbishop Lefebvre (and others) would not have taken the course of action that he (they) did.

    They have all been infused by Modernist ideals. Francis is more upfront and bold about it, of course. It's likely going to get worse than it is. There still are not women ordained as priests or deacons in the conciliar church, but that may be coming. Nor is it yet the norm for married men to be ordained. I don't think that these will happen under Francis, but I could be wrong.

    He (Bergoglio) is not a true Pope. He is an antipope, as I have explained over and over. A true Pope cannot be the Antichrist. That is a Protestant mistake/lie.

    But a person who has deceived "the faithful" into believing he is the Pope, when he really isn't, and therefore leads "the faithful" astray is exactly the method of the False Prophet/Antichrist/Man of Sin/Son of Perdition/Little Horn.

    Note that St. Hildegard prefaces the quote from the Antichrist with these words:

    "And again he will say to the faithful,..."

    According to St. Hildegard, he is speaking to "the faithful." And "the faithful" will be listening to him as their teacher. These "faithful" for St. Hildegard can be none other than "faithful" Catholics, the "elect." 

    Now, I ask you who do "faithful" Catholics accept as their infallible teacher on this earth? Only the person that they think is the Pope, right? But in this case (with the Antichrist) he will not be a legitimate Pope with infallible teaching authority. He will be an Antipope and God will allow him to teach error.

    2 Thessalonians 2 explains all of this. God allows them to be deceived because they loved sinning more than the Truth. And the Antipope/Antichrist told them exactly what they wanted to hear, specifically that they could sin without remorse.


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    « Reply #27 on: August 15, 2023, 12:29:01 PM »
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  • Right, this is a protestant lie.  The antichrist will create a one-world, man-made, humanistic religion (i.e. an anti-church).  His one-world govt and one-world anti-church will work together to spread evil, lies and abominations across the globe.  But...the Catholic Church will still remain, and, as St Malachy's prophecies tell us, there will be a pope in the last days to nurture the faithful.  God will also send the world Enoch and Elias to work miracles, preach the gospel and rebuke the evils of the day. 

    Yes, the one-world, man-made, humanistic religion (i.e., the anti-church) is the Synodal Church that you will see come out of the Synod on Synodality. It will be said to be based on the proper interpretation of Vatican II, what BXVI called "the hermeneutic of rupture." 

    This Anti-church is already existing in its false doctrine and false sacraments. It has existed in a lesser to greater degree since VII. But up to now, this false strand has existed alongside the remnant of the true Church. Both have been acknowledged to be inside the Catholic church since VII. But very soon, the true Church, the part carrying on the true doctrine and true sacraments will be unwelcome in the Synodal Church. At that point the break will be complete. We are likely months (not years) away from this.

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    Re: +Vigano can Prove Sede Vacante?
    « Reply #28 on: August 15, 2023, 12:43:19 PM »
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  • He (Bergoglio) is not a true Pope. He is an antipope, as I have explained over and over. A true Pope cannot be the Antichrist. That is a Protestant mistake/lie.

    But a person who has deceived "the faithful" into believing he is the Pope, when he really isn't, and therefore leads "the faithful" astray is exactly the method of the False Prophet/Antichrist/Man of Sin/Son of Perdition/Little Horn.

    Note that St. Hildegard prefaces the quote from the Antichrist with these words:

    "And again he will say to the faithful,..."

    According to St. Hildegard, he is speaking to "the faithful." And "the faithful" will be listening to him as their teacher. These "faithful" for St. Hildegard can be none other than "faithful" Catholics, the "elect."

    Now, I ask you who do "faithful" Catholics accept as their infallible teacher on this earth? Only the person that they think is the Pope, right? But in this case (with the Antichrist) he will not be a legitimate Pope with infallible teaching authority. He will be an Antipope and God will allow him to teach error.

    2 Thessalonians 2 explains all of this. God allows them to be deceived because they loved sinning more than the Truth. And the Antipope/Antichrist told them exactly what they wanted to hear, specifically that they could sin without remorse.

    Where in Catholic teachings does it specifically state say that a fake pope of a fake church will be THE antichrist?

    Also, where in Catholic doctrine does it say anything about "Little Horn" in relation to the antichrist? I looked up "Little Horn" and could only find protestant references to the "evil" Catholic Church.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • Where in Catholic teachings does it specifically state say that a fake pope of the a fake church will be THE antichrist?

    Also, where in Catholic doctrine does it say anything about "Little Horn" in relation to the antichrist? I looked up "Little Horn" and could only find protestant references to the "evil" Catholic Church.

    The prophecies speak in riddles. The riddles need to be unravelled. You must read between the lines. You must 2 and 2 together yourself. You will not be given the answer. It is a test.

    There is no doubt that "the Little Horn," described in Daniel 7 and 8, is considered by the Church Fathers to be "the Antichrist." Just open your Douay-Rheims to Daniel 7. Look at the footnote on Ver. 8 which says:

    "Another little horn. This is commonly understood of Antichrist. It may also be applied to that great persecutor Antiochus Epiphanes, a as a figure of Antichrist."