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Author Topic: +Vigano Calls Trump Scandalous for Homo Party  (Read 4438 times)

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Re: +Vigano Calls Trump Scandalous for Homo Party
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2022, 02:06:25 PM »
So much for the slanders against +Vigano for being a Trump shill.

Oh… the slander :facepalm:

But then, only two years ago, the Archbishop described the New York jew as, “The last hope for Western Civilization.”

:laugh1:

BTW, LGBTQ is the least of Trump’s problems.

The good Archbishop needs to mention that the ex-president is completely “sold-out” to Babylon (the Israeli terrorist state).

But let’s not despair! 
Hopefully the Archbishop can come clean on his friends in newChurch’s secret society known as Opus Dei.


Re: +Vigano Calls Trump Scandalous for Homo Party
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2022, 02:15:10 PM »
Those who are hostile to +Vigano have mis-analyzed his previous statements about Trump as being categorical endorsements.  If you read them carefully, he makes statements like, "we dare hope" that Trump is on the side of good (obviously where it comes to natural law, etc.)

Nowhere did +Vigano categorically endorse Trump.  Instead, he was trying to appeal to Trump's (massive or yuge) ego to persuade him to take the right side on some issues.  +Vigano was a trained diplomat, and he was well aware of Trump's personality.  After Trump was snubbed by the commie pseudo-bishop Wilton Gregory for visiting a Catholic shrine, +Vigano wrote the letter appealing to Trump.  +Vigano knows that Trump has a yuge but very fragile ego, and that if he's publicly snubbed or criticized, he takes it personally and digs in his heels against them.  So he realized that Gregory's nonsense would make Trump hostile to the interests of the Catholic Church.  So he knew that praising Trump (even if it was a guarded and conditional praise) would appeal to Trump's ego, making him more inclined to follow through on the questions that +Vigano was exhorting him about.  And it worked as expected, with Trump retweeting the latter from +Vigano and being all proud of it.

Of course, Trump's support for sodomy is nothing new.  Many of us refused to vote for him in 2020 precisely because Trump had bragged about being the most pro-sodomite President in history.  It's possible that +Vigano wasn't aware of some of those prior statements or else passed over them because they were less widely reported or known (the Democratic media hardly would cover something that they felt would help Trump with independent voters).

+Vigano's approach to Trump was taken for prudential considerations.  Let's say you have a child who has some good tendencies but also does some bad things.  Perhaps you know the temperament of this child, and realize that if you crack down on him for the bad things he's doing, due to a stubborn nature, he would dig in and do them with even more zeal.  So you might adopt the tactic of focusing on and encouraging the good things he's going, hoping that those will eventually lead him away from the bad stuff over time. 

St. Thomas' teaching about the obligation to rebuke the sinner is quite clear.  If you feel that the rebuke would do no good, you are not obliged to rebuke the sinner.  In fact, St. Thomas even says that if you believe that the rebuke would cause the person to dig in and even to continue committing the sins with greater zeal, then you may even be obliged NOT to rebuke the sinner.  This is where Prudence comes in as the queen of all the virtues.  Prudence realizes that the ultimate aim of rebuking the sinner is for the sinner to amend.  So then Prudence can determine that in some cases an actual rebuke might work CONTRARY to the ultimate aim, where the sinner might become even less likely to amend.  Trump is precisely this child-like type of character.  If you rebuke him and offend his ego, he will in fact lash out, dig in his heels, and become even more stubborn about that for which he was rebuked.
That's all fine and dandy but I doubt Vigano is hardly on Trump's radar. For one thing, he doesn't have any money, and that's what matters most to The Donald. It's why he agreed to meet Kim Kardashian and Kanye, because they are rich and famous, and any connection to wealth and fame enhances his own status. 
Trump has a lot more in common with Jeffrey Epstein and Wilton Gregory than ANYONE on our side of the fence. 


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Re: +Vigano Calls Trump Scandalous for Homo Party
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2022, 04:31:01 PM »
That's all fine and dandy but I doubt Vigano is hardly on Trump's radar. For one thing, he doesn't have any money, and that's what matters most to The Donald. It's why he agreed to meet Kim Kardashian and Kanye, because they are rich and famous, and any connection to wealth and fame enhances his own status.
Trump has a lot more in common with Jeffrey Epstein and Wilton Gregory than ANYONE on our side of the fence.

Trump took care of his money issues with the Trump trading cards.

Re: +Vigano Calls Trump Scandalous for Homo Party
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2022, 04:42:10 PM »
Trump took care of his money issues with the Trump trading cards.

Correction, his money issues were taken care of when he gave Deutsche Bank a ton of the Covid bailout money, which in turn forgave the $500 million he owed them from his ponzi, I mean real estate deals. Then there was that $200 million he raised from the stop the steal scam that he only spent 2 or 3 million of on lawyers. That should keep him in McDonald's hamburgers and hookers for the rest of his life. 
I think he only spent like 2 or 3 million of it on lawyers.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Vigano Calls Trump Scandalous for Homo Party
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2022, 04:49:16 PM »
Oh… the slander :facepalm:

But then, only two years ago, the Archbishop described the New York Jєω as, “The last hope for Western Civilization.”

See, you basically defend yourself from the charge of slander ... with a slander.

+Vigano never called Trump "The last hope for Western Civilization."  He clearly stated in that letter that there's a battle going on for Western civilization, and that he "dared to believe" that Trump was on the same side of good.  He praised Trump for being Pro Life and going to the March for Life.  That's it.  So right here you demonstrate the slander you and others have been hurling (despite having been corrected about it) against +Vigano.  You're one of the slanderers-in-chief here.