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Offline Domingo Banez

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Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
« on: January 09, 2023, 02:41:29 PM »
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    • There seem to be Traditional Dominicans( Avrille ) Franciscans (Morgon) and several Traditional Benedictine communities. However, I’ve never heard of any Traditional Jesuit groups. Do any exist? 
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #1 on: January 09, 2023, 02:47:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Domingo Banez on January 09, 2023, 02:41:29 PM
    There seem to be Traditional Dominicans( Avrille ) Franciscans (Morgon) and several Traditional Benedictine communities. However, I’ve never heard of any Traditional Jesuit groups. Do any exist?

    No.

    Also a shame there are no traditional Carthusians.
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    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #2 on: January 09, 2023, 02:52:21 PM »
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    • Groups, no.  But there was a Father Schell (sp ?) I believe, who was a Traditionalist Jesuit.  If I were pope, I'd have to suppress the Jesuits, to be honest.
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    Offline Domingo Banez

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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #3 on: January 09, 2023, 02:52:33 PM »
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    • I saw this on an old thread but I don’t know if this group still exists
    http://dejesusydemaria.blogspot.com/
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #4 on: January 09, 2023, 02:54:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Domingo Banez on January 09, 2023, 02:52:33 PM
    I saw this on an old thread but I don’t know if this group still exists
    http://dejesusydemaria.blogspot.com/
    Bishop Morello died in the last year or so, I believe. 
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #5 on: January 09, 2023, 02:56:46 PM »
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    • Father Vincent Miceli had very traditional sympathies, and there is also Father Philip Stark.
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #6 on: January 09, 2023, 03:08:30 PM »
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    • Yeah - before they were suppressed by Pope Clement XlV
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #7 on: January 09, 2023, 03:15:19 PM »
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    • La Compañía de Jesús y María, formerly headed by the now deceased Bishop Morello. I'm not sure who took over after his death. I heard that they may be working with Bishop McGuire now, but I am not 100% sure.
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #8 on: January 10, 2023, 04:58:42 AM »
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    • The Jesuits have been corrupted since the 17th century--laxist moral theology, inordinate worldly concerns. Saint Ignatius of Loyola would not have recogised his Order had he seen it 100 years after his death. It was good for the Church that the Jesuits were suppressed by Clement XIV and most unfortunate that they were reconstituted by Pius VII. Saint Ignatius, pray for us.
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #9 on: January 10, 2023, 05:32:38 AM »
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    • Father Emmet Buckley SJ (+2002) who held the sedevacantist position for many years.
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #10 on: January 16, 2023, 01:54:23 PM »
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    • No, and it would be impossible at this point to have a truly traditionalist Jesuit, since their juniorate and philosophate education programs (i.e. the higher level Jesuit education in preparation for the priesthood and advanced theological or classical studies) had completely collapsed by the 1960s. Any Jesuit today who would have traditionalist leanings would have received a modern "education" and then would need to be mostly self-taught when it comes to theology, or even Latin. Seminarians going through a traditional seminary would be better equipped than 99% of Jesuits today.

    The late Fr. W. Norris Clarke, SJ, not a traditionalist but a brilliant mind and one who had received the traditional Jesuit education, pointed out that theological giants of the nouvelle theologie and at the Council were made possible by the older neoscholastic education, a not insignificant portion of which was led by Jesuit education, and since the collapse of that educational model, in his opinion, one hasn't seen anything remarkable in the way of philosophical or theological progress since the Council. A rather telling admission.
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #11 on: January 17, 2023, 07:37:27 AM »
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    • Bishop Sanborn currently has a former Novus Ordo Priest at his Seminary who left the Novus Ordo and is seeking Traditional ordination. He's an older gentleman and I believe he is a Jesuit.

    Whether he intends to continue living as a Jesuit I have no idea, and I'm almost certain he has no plans of starting a Jesuit community of any type, at least right now.
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #12 on: January 18, 2023, 11:22:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: cath4ever on January 17, 2023, 07:37:27 AM
    Bishop Sanborn currently has a former Novus Ordo Priest at his Seminary who left the Novus Ordo and is seeking Traditional ordination. He's an older gentleman and I believe he is a Jesuit.

    Whether he intends to continue living as a Jesuit I have no idea, and I'm almost certain he has no plans of starting a Jesuit community of any type, at least right now.
    He is not going to live as a Jesuit. For some reason, he never ended up taking permanent vows. Perhaps he knew why deep down.
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #13 on: January 18, 2023, 06:04:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on January 10, 2023, 04:58:42 AM
    The Jesuits have been corrupted since the 17th century--laxist moral theology, inordinate worldly concerns. Saint Ignatius of Loyola would not have recogised his Order had he seen it 100 years after his death. It was good for the Church that the Jesuits were suppressed by Clement XIV and most unfortunate that they were reconstituted by Pius VII. Saint Ignatius, pray for us.

    THIS ^^^
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    Re: Are there ( or have there ever been) any Traditionalist Jesuits?
    « Reply #14 on: January 18, 2023, 06:06:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Domingo Banez on January 09, 2023, 02:52:33 PM
    I saw this on an old thread but I don’t know if this group still exists
    http://dejesusydemaria.blogspot.com/

    They’re not Jesuits though.
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