Author Topic: +Vigano Calls Francis "Heretical Tyrant on the Chair" (Read 4798 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #25 on:** January 20, 2023, 11:28:24 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 20, 2023, 11:13:43 AM

You are correct that as long as Archbishop Vigano recognizes Jorge Bergoglio as a true pope he cannot go any further because a true pope has supreme jurisdiction over all ecclesiastical matters.

Find where +Vigano has ever affirmed that Bergoglio is the true pope. In fact, find once (since his conversion to Tradition of course) where he has ever called Bergoglio "Pope" or "Francs" or anything other than Bergoglio. I think he may have used "Francis" exactly once, but it was in a derogatory way.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #26 on:** January 20, 2023, 11:30:37 AM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on January 20, 2023, 10:40:32 AM

Correct.

But equally correct is that he's never rejected it either. I've not read a single affirmation from him that he thinks Bergoglio IS the true pope. He's called for an investigation, believes the "prelates of the Church" have to make the determination, etc. ... but he clearly has serious doubts about Bergoglio, but is just prescinding from making some kind of statement to that effect, which he seems to believe is not within his rights to do.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #27 on:** January 20, 2023, 11:33:41 AM »

Not everybody goes from Traditionalist to sedevacantist in one day, and the derision from the arrogant dogmatic SVs here because he hasn't declared the See vacant is entirely uncalled for.

+Lefebvre also never declared the See vacant, for the same reason, that he "preferred to wait" (his words), and I don't see anywhere near the same derision for him as some here have consistently shown for +Vigano. +Vigano is clearly in "prefer to wait" mode.

Perhaps encouragenemt and support would do much more to persuade him to come out as an SV than the constant derision and contempt he gets.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #28 on:** January 20, 2023, 11:47:39 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on January 20, 2023, 11:28:24 AM

Find where +Vigano has ever affirmed that Bergoglio is the true pope. In fact, find once (since his conversion to Tradition of course) where he has ever called Bergoglio "Pope" or "Francs" or anything other than Bergoglio. I think he may have used "Francis" exactly once, but it was in a derogatory way.

I know for a fact that he has called him "Pope Bergolio," without putting the pope in quotation marks. He has also called him Francis, much more than once, and probably pope Francis, but that has to be checked.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #29 on:** January 20, 2023, 11:50:30 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on January 20, 2023, 11:30:37 AM

But equally correct is that he's never rejected it either. I've not read a single affirmation from him that he thinks Bergoglio IS the true pope. He's called for an investigation, believes the "prelates of the Church" have to make the determination, etc. ... but he clearly has serious doubts about Bergoglio, but is just prescinding from making some kind of statement to that effect, which he seems to believe is not within his rights to do.

He clearly does not think determining Bergolio's status is necessary to retain the "purity of Holy Mother Church" or whatever iteration of that concept that you express.

CathInfo.com

Author Topic: +Vigano Calls Francis "Heretical Tyrant on the Chair" (Read 4798 times)

Ladislaus

Re: +Vigano Calls Francis "Heretical Tyrant on the Chair"

Ladislaus

Re: +Vigano Calls Francis "Heretical Tyrant on the Chair"

Ladislaus

Re: +Vigano Calls Francis "Heretical Tyrant on the Chair"

DecemRationis

Re: +Vigano Calls Francis "Heretical Tyrant on the Chair"

DecemRationis

Re: +Vigano Calls Francis "Heretical Tyrant on the Chair"