Author Topic: +Vigano Calls Francis "Heretical Tyrant on the Chair" (Read 4794 times)

Incredulous · « **Reply #15 on:** January 19, 2023, 08:11:59 PM »

"If you take the Montinian missal, you will not find explicit heresies in it; but if you compare it with the traditional missal, you will find that the omission of so many prayers composed in defense of revealed Truth was more than enough to make the reformed Mass acceptable even to Lutherans, as they themselves admitted after the promulgation of that fatal and equivocal rite. To confirm this, even the feasts of the Chair of St. Peter in Rome and Antioch have been combined into one, in the name of that cancel culture that the modernist sect adopted in the ecclesiastical sphere well before the woke left appropriated it in the civil sphere."

62' Missal

Donachie · « **Reply #16 on:** January 19, 2023, 10:11:25 PM »

1962 was another one of those sort of doo wop and spy movie years.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #17 on:** January 19, 2023, 10:26:13 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous on January 19, 2023, 08:11:59 PM

"If you take the Montinian missal, you will not find explicit heresies in it; but if you compare it with the traditional missal, you will find that the omission of so many prayers composed in defense of revealed Truth was more than enough to make the reformed Mass acceptable even to Lutherans, as they themselves admitted after the promulgation of that fatal and equivocal rite. To confirm this, even the feasts of the Chair of St. Peter in Rome and Antioch have been combined into one, in the name of that cancel culture that the modernist sect adopted in the ecclesiastical sphere well before the woke left appropriated it in the civil sphere."

^^^THIS

DecemRationis · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2023, 10:13:15 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on January 19, 2023, 06:49:57 PM

That has nothing to do with the issue at hand, where you believe in the heresy that the Magisterium of the Church and the Public Worship of the Church can become corrupt, harmful to souls, offensive to God. However you want to explain it, these things did not emanate from the legitimate papal authority that was freely exercised.

You will be judged by God for attempting to spread your blasphemy and heresy against the Catholic Church.

. . .

You have show yourself to be of incredibly bad will against Holy Mother Church, whether out of arrogance or due to some psychological problem, throwing the Church under the proverbial bus so you can be comforted by the thought of this tyrannical heretic walking around in Rome wearing a white cassock being the pope. To save Bergoglio, you're willing to sacrifice the Church.

Archbishop Lefebvre clearly taught that this degree of destruction is not possible given the guidance of the Holy Spirit over the papacy; he merely refrained from deciding on what the explanation for it was, maintaining that SVism is in fact a possibility. While claiming to be most faithful to the Archbishop, you reject his position on the matter also.

Lad,

Those are incredibly strong words. You generally show support for Vigano, so let me ask you: how is Sean's position, which according to you blasphemes and commits heresy regarding the Church, different from Vigano's?

I asked you in earlier to identify anywhere in Vigano's writings where he goes into the issue of a papal "vacancy" or, now I ask a bit differently, show us where he even entertains the necessity of considering Francis an antipope or non-pope, an issue which for you is essential to retaining the integrity of "Holy Mother Church"? I don't think you'll find it.

In fact, Vigano repeatedly talks of "Pope Bergolio" and recognizes the authority of the Conciliar hierarchy, I guess without (apparently) besmirching and prostituting Holy Mother Church as you say Sean does. Here's just a sample:

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In the face of the desolation of these terrible times, in the face of the apostasy of the Hierarchy and the agony of the ecclesial body, we cannot be truly pessimistic or yield to despair or resignation.

We are with Saint John and the Sorrowful Virgin at the foot of a Cross on which the new High Priests spit, against which a new Sanhedrin curses and swears. On the other hand, we recall that the leaders of the priestly class were the first ones who wanted to put Our Lord to death, and so it is not surprising that in the moment of the Passion of the Church it is precisely they who mock what the blindness of their soul no longer understands.

https://www.catholicity.com/vigano/2021-07-14.html

As Our Lord recognized the legitimate authority of the Pharisees in the "seat of Moses" while calling them "whited sepulchers" who made "void the word of God," so Vigano does the Conciliar hierarchy while decrying its heresies and apostasy. And Sean does the same.

Is Vigano besmirching Holy Mother Church as Sean does? If not, why not?

This is a continuing, bizarre theme with you - attacking those who identify with an R & R position as Old Catholics, etc. - that keeps bumping into contradiction after contradiction.

Yeti · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2023, 10:26:20 AM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on January 20, 2023, 10:13:15 AM

I asked you in earlier to identify anywhere in Vigano's writings where he goes into the issue of a papal "vacancy" or, now I ask a bit differently, show us where he even entertains the necessity of considering Francis an antipope or non-pope, an issue which for you is essential to retaining the integrity of "Holy Mother Church"? I don't think you'll find it.

In fact, Vigano repeatedly talks of "Pope Bergolio" and recognizes the authority of the Conciliar hierarchy, I guess without (apparently) besmirching and prostituting Holy Mother Church as you say Sean does. Here's just a sample:

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Vigano has never promoted or even espoused sedevacantism.

CathInfo.com

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