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Offline 2Vermont

Re: +Vigano Arrives at Integral Traditionalism
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2021, 02:25:54 PM »
Why has this board heretofore typically equated the SSPX with the indults (or soon-to-be a Novus Ordo indult)? is the board now saying that the indult is the new SSPX?  
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Vigano Arrives at Integral Traditionalism
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2021, 02:52:50 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 24, 2021, 09:40:59 AM
Schneider says V2 needs to be tweaked and therefore it can be saved.

Vigano says it is incompatible with the preconciliar magisterium, and needs to be jettisoned in toto.

So to back both on V2 would be schizophrenic, since they hold mutually exclusive and contradictory positions.

As regards the indult position, therefore, in such measure as the likes of Matt, Moynihan, Marshall, McCall, et al back Vigano, they necessarily oppose the position of Schneider.

Which is another way of saying that which has already been said:

Vigano is like a tugboat dragging the indult world into a more substantial and doctrinal traditionalism (while waiving to the SSPX ship as it passes, heading in the other direction).

If the Indult world is following +Vigano, they quickly leapfrog the SSPX into a Resistance position, whereas the SSPX (based on +Fellay's latest statements) is in the +Schneider camp.
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Offline Meg

Re: +Vigano Arrives at Integral Traditionalism
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2021, 03:30:19 PM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on June 24, 2021, 08:48:54 AM
Why do you believe the SSPX would be so much more likely to continue to accept Francis than all the others?

What do you mean by "accept Francis"? 

The SSPX have always accepted that the Pope is the Pope. Archbishop Lefebvre always accepted the reigning pope as the pope.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: +Vigano Arrives at Integral Traditionalism
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2021, 03:48:39 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 24, 2021, 02:52:50 PM
If the Indult world is following +Vigano, they quickly leapfrog the SSPX into a Resistance position, whereas the SSPX (based on +Fellay's latest statements) is in the +Schneider camp.
Yup.  Rather amazing, but that is the current state of things.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: +Vigano Arrives at Integral Traditionalism
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2021, 11:04:31 PM »
Quote from: Meg on June 24, 2021, 03:30:19 PM
What do you mean by "accept Francis"?

The SSPX have always accepted that the Pope is the Pope. Archbishop Lefebvre always accepted the reigning pope as the pope.
Yes, but the hypothetical scenario was that every group *except* SSPX elects Vigano as Pope, while *only* the SSPX continues to recognize Francis.  That seems really unlikely.

I think if all the reasonably solid bishops (and I mean everything from Burke or Sarah on the "left" to the Resistance on the "right") were to determine that Francis was a formal heretic, not really the Pope, and held an emergency conclave of some sort to elect Vigano, I don't think the SSPX would stand alone and be like "no, Francis is still Pope."  I find that unlikely TBH.
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