Author Topic: +Vigano Arrives at Integral Traditionalism (Read 10223 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #25 on:** June 24, 2021, 07:58:49 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on June 24, 2021, 07:51:09 AM

I think if/when he gets consecrated in the Old Rite, this would constitute the beginning of "doing" something.

Agreed. I don't know how much thought he's given the the validity of the new Sacraments. I'd love to see him getting conditionally consecrated after having been consecrated originally by Wojtyla. I knew a priest, Fr. Cassavantes (now with FSSP), who was conditionally ordained by Bishop Williamson despite having been ordained by Wojtyla. I was always amused by that.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #26 on:** June 24, 2021, 08:03:02 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 24, 2021, 07:43:17 AM

FWIW, I have an email from +Williamson in which he says he has been in contact with +Viganò.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #27 on:** June 24, 2021, 08:21:07 AM »

One of the most astonishing good fruits of +Viganò’s entrance into unmitigated, integral traditionalism has been his surprising draw of the indult crowd.

I thought that when he started saying things like the whole V2 council needs to be dumped, that it would be too much for them, and they would abandon him as de Mattei has. And yet, he has brought them along with him into a more substantial, doctrinal traditionalism. Witness the -to me surprising- defenses of Matt, Moynihan, McCall, Marshall, et al, all defending Vigano in what are essentially Resistance and even sedevacantist positions which the neoSSPX has gone quiet on.

I have a theory on why/how these surprising allies became receptive to Vigano, while they would not be converted by substantially the same arguments from Resistance sources, but that is another matter...

Even the sedevacantists seem not to disagree with ANYTHING he is saying. I see Fr. Jenkins frequently expressing admiration and astonishment for his writings. And even ordinary lay sedevacantists are generally in agreement with him. Yes, his episcopal consecration will be an issue for them, but they are watching his steady progress with amazement, and his doctrine is stellar.

He is the good shepherd, and he knows his sheep, and his sheep know him. They know the voice of truth when they hear it. His voice is the voice of truth, and truth is the principle of unity which is the cause of all parties of goodwill rallying to his banner.

He alone had and has the power given to him from above to “unite the clans” without tradcuмenism: He brings conservatives and indulters to the right by the mere force of his arguments.

His adversaries have now also realized this, and they realize the threat he represents therefore to the entire Luciferian edifice (as Lefebvre did before him).

They have begun their counterattacks.

But I see the fruits, and I say this man is a gift from God for the beleaguered Remnant in these latter days: To strengthen and unite us into one final Legion of Catholic warriors who will be capable of looking the devil’s minions in the eye at gunpoint, and with our last breath, yell:

“Viva Cristo Rey!”

Ladislaus · « **Reply #28 on:** June 24, 2021, 08:35:35 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 24, 2021, 08:21:07 AM

One of the most astonishing good fruits of +Viganò’s entrance into unmitigated, integral traditionalism has been his surprising draw of the indult crowd.

I thought that when he started saying things like the whole V2 council needs to be dumped, that it would be too much for them, and they would abandon him as de Mattei has. And yet, he has brought them along with him into a more substantial, doctrinal traditionalism. Witness the -to me surprising- defenses of Matt, Moynihan, McCall, Marshall, et al, all defending Vigano in what are essentially Resistance and even sedevacantist positions which the neoSSPX has gone quiet on.

I have a theory on why/how these surprising allies became receptive to Vigano, while they would not be converted by substantially the same arguments from Resistance sources, but that is another matter...

Even the sedevacantists seem not to disagree with ANYTHING he is saying. I see Fr. Jenkins frequently expressing admiration and astonishment for his writings. And even ordinary lay sedevacantists are generally in agreement with him. Yes, his episcopal consecration will be an issue for them, but they are watching his steady progress with amazement, and his doctrine is stellar.

He is the good shepherd, and he knows his sheep, and his sheep know him. They know the voice of truth when they hear it. His voice is the voice of truth, and truth is the principle of unity which is the cause of all parties of goodwill rallying to his banner.

He alone had and has the power given to him from above to “unite the clans” without tradcuмenism: He brings conservatives and indulters to the right by the mere force of his arguments.

His adversaries have now also realized this, and they realize the threat he represents therefore to the entire Luciferian edifice (as Lefebvre did before him).

They have begun their counterattacks.

But I see the fruits, and I say this man is a gift from God for the beleaguered Remnant in these latter days: To strengthen and unite us into one final Legion of Catholic warriors who will be capable of looking the devil’s minions in the eye at gunpoint, and with our last breath, yell:

“Viva Cristo Rey!”

I agree completely, and I said the same thing briefly above. He's emboldening Indult types to more openly question V2 and the Conciliar popes where they might have been very reluctant to do so. And he appeals to the Resistance and to sedevacantists as well. It seems that it's only the neo-SSPX (among Traditional groups) who aren't getting behind +Vigano. These ideas and doctrines MATTER (one of Bishop Williamson's great emphases) and are having great effect. I believe they will bear much fruit going forward.

For a while, I had "+Vigano for pope" in my signature line, and I still hold that senitiment. His writings are doctrinally brilliant, eloquent, and pastoral (encouraging and persuasive). They read like Encyclicals. I think that the entire remaining Catholic world could get behind a Pope +Vigano (with some details that need to be resolved, such as his consecration) ... well, except the SSPX, who would hold out in support of Bergoglio.

ByzCat3000 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 24, 2021, 08:48:54 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 24, 2021, 08:35:35 AM

I agree completely, and I said the same thing briefly above. He's emboldening Indult types to more openly question V2 and the Conciliar popes where they might have been very reluctant to do so. And he appeals to the Resistance and to sedevacantists as well. It seems that it's only the neo-SSPX (among Traditional groups) who aren't getting behind +Vigano. These ideas and doctrines MATTER (one of Bishop Williamson's great emphases) and are having great effect. I believe they will bear much fruit going forward.

For a while, I had "+Vigano for pope" in my signature line, and I still hold that senitiment. His writings are doctrinally brilliant, eloquent, and pastoral (encouraging and persuasive). They read like Encyclicals. I think that the entire remaining Catholic world could get behind a Pope +Vigano (with some details that need to be resolved, such as his consecration) ... well, except the SSPX, who would hold out in support of Bergoglio.

Why do you believe the SSPX would be so much more likely to continue to accept Francis than all the others?

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