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Re: +Archbishop Lefebvre as the Holy Prelate-thehewko-cult.com
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2024, 03:33:52 PM »
The tree is known by its fruit. Today CMRI is strong in the Catholic Faith with valid Priests and a strong mission guided by our Lady and the Holy Ghost without compromise. God bless Archbishop Thuc.

I am grateful that Archbishop Lefebvre took a stand against the apostates in Rome in 1988. 
Pavarinus’ training is questionable since the majority of his training was under Shuckardt. Then you have a Thuc bishop come and ordain him willynilly. Did that bishop even investigate the training?

Re: +Archbishop Lefebvre as the Holy Prelate-thehewko-cult.com
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2024, 05:16:34 AM »
Pavarinus’ training is questionable since the majority of his training was under Shuckardt. Then you have a Thuc bishop come and ordain him willynilly. Did that bishop even investigate the training?
Saint John Vianney wasn't trained in a seminary...  But he was one of the best and holiest of confessors...

Why assume the worst?  Have you even met him?  Have you not seen any of the good he has done around the world for tradition?  "It is by their fruits that you shall know them."


Re: +Archbishop Lefebvre as the Holy Prelate-thehewko-cult.com
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2024, 08:08:16 AM »
Saint John Vianney wasn't trained in a seminary...  

Although this may be a tangent to the overall thread, I just wanted to make a minor correction.  Just for clarification: he was.  It was at the seminary where a fellow seminarian slapped him in the face. 


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Due to the lack of a formal early education, John struggled with his seminary studies. Because of his poor grades, his bishop had reservations about ordaining John to the priesthood. After some delay and because of John’s refusal to give up, Father John Vianney was finally ordained to the priesthood in 1815 at the age of twenty nine. 


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As a seminarian studies did not come easy to him. On one occasion a fellow seminarian slapped him in the face because he was so slow to learn. Vianney knelt down and apologized for his slowness.



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Re: +Archbishop Lefebvre as the Holy Prelate-thehewko-cult.com
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2024, 09:53:54 AM »
Pavarinus’ training is questionable since the majority of his training was under Shuckardt. Then you have a Thuc bishop come and ordain him willynilly. Did that bishop even investigate the training?

Perhaps you can investigate and get back to us.  You might start by spelling his name correctly (you made 3 errors in his last name alone).  He seems very articulate, knowledgeable, able to validly confect Sacraments (mostly fluent in Latin).  I don't agree with him on quite a few issues, but I won't claim that he's not capable and well trained.  I also disagree with some priests who clearly have impeccable credentials.

Speaking of credentials, you like maligning Bishop Guerards des Lauriers, but the man was arguably THE TOP theologian in the Church in the years leading up to Vatican II.  He assisted in Pius XII's declaration defining the Dogma of the Assumption, was personal confessor to Pius XII for some time, held several advanced degrees and taught in the top seminaries in Rome.  Later he was the primary author of the Ottaviani Intervention.  But it's OK for you to brush him aside as some ignoramus when you can't hold a candle to him.

Anecdotally, I've met many pre-V2-trained priests who basically had a thorough knowledge of the basic catechism, questionable knowledge of Latin (could pronounce it OK when reading but likely did not comprehend it), and with whom you can't even strike up a conversation about basic Thomistic philosophy/theology.  IMO, Bishop Pivarunas' knowledge far exceeds that of these priests.

Re: +Archbishop Lefebvre as the Holy Prelate-thehewko-cult.com
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2024, 12:26:27 PM »
Although this may be a tangent to the overall thread, I just wanted to make a minor correction.  Just for clarification: he was.  It was at the seminary where a fellow seminarian slapped him in the face.
Sorry, my bad...  I didnt mean to say that he didn't go the seminary at all.  I just meant to emphasize that he didnt pass all the way through like a normal seminarian. 

From what I remember (it has been awhile since I read his life story), he was sent home to the priest who had been helping him by those in charge saying he wasn't qualified and couldn't manage the studies necessary to become a priest.  Then his priest trained him privately until the higher up were willing to ordain him.

Of course this is all by memory though.  So, I apologize if I remembered anything wrong...