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Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2023, 04:35:46 PM »
Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.

Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2023, 05:56:55 PM »
People need the gospel, not politics.
We need both the Good News and +Vigano's reality check.
You call it politics, but it's actually preparing us for persecution.


Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2023, 07:43:39 PM »
When was the last time a pope publicly  mentioned the Jєωs, or the тαℓмυd ? Other than Saint Pius X telling Herzl that he would never recognize the state of Israel, I can't think of anything from the last five hundred years.

We're now equating a Novus ordo media Archbishop with St. Pope Pius X ?

Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2023, 07:47:41 PM »
No, he now offers the TLM exclusively. I would believe he says the old Divine Office now as well.
You've seen him celebrating the Tridentine Mass?

Who writes his media-
encyclicals, his English speaking altar server?

He used two well established Opus Die publishers in the past.


Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2023, 08:46:42 PM »
This has been explained to you about a half dozen times already.  It's a reference to St. Augustine, who in turn quote St. Paul to the Thessalonians for the expression "children of light".  St. Augustine's City of God specifically lays out the notion that there are two forces in the world, one tending toward God, the other away from God (and toward the devil).  He includes in those tending toward God those outside the Church who are of good will and who are trending toward God.  This does not mean that they're in a state of grace or supernaturally pleasing to God, but they can be naturally pleasing to God.  To claim othewise, that all outside the Church is sin and evil is in fact a core error of the Jansenists.

Well even if he actually was referring to St Augustine's City of God (which he doesn't reference when discussing the "children of Light")  it would be an inversion.

St Augustine made it clear that the fall of Rome was insignificant to God's overall plan.  Augustine explained that the Saints lost nothing by losing their earthly possessions.  The City of God is not the same as the City of Man which seeks earthly "safety" and wellbeing.

He wrote that the attack of Rome in the year 410, therefore, should not upset Christians greatly, for the Christian faith belonged to the kingdom of the spirit and could not be identified with any particular kingdom on earth. He state that the collapse of Rome did not diminish the Christian religion, for the true Christian was a citizen of a "heavenly city" that could not possibly be pillaged by evil men, but would endure forever. Compared to heavenly city of God, the decline of Rome was unimportant. The welfare of the Christian religion was not to be identified with the material progress of Rome, or even with its very existence.

Augustine provided comfort to Christians worried by the fall of Rome. He said that both the decay and the prosperity of Rome meant nothing in comparison with the happiness that awaited them in the "city of heaven."


They were told that the Christian religion was measured neither by the successes nor by the failures of Rome.
http://www.augnet.org/en/works-of-augustine/writings-of-augustine/city-of-god/2128-the-sack-of-rome/

Does this sound like the same message Vigano gives??

No.


Yet Vigano never even references Augustine or the City of God in his speech to the

"ʝʊdɛօ-Christians" collectively praying to God" (according to the advertisements)

at the Jericho March or in his letter to Trump.

Are you a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian, Lad?  Is Vigano a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian?

Why would any true Catholic attend a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian prayer rally?

The ads for the Jericho March state:

JERICHO MARCH

“LET THE CHURCH ROAR!”

(The CHURCH????  Which Church???)

Jericho March™ is comprised of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians [sic] collectively praying to God
https://novusordowatch.org/2020/12/vigano-and-marshall-in-ecuмenical-prayer-rally/

What does that mean, anyway?

ʝʊdɛօ-Christians?

Collectively praying??


Sounds like mortal sin to me

but I just try to follow the Catechism.  ::shrug::


So Jєωs, Protestants, Catholics and whatnot are all members of the "roaring Church" now?

Well, that whole First Commandment thing is neat and all

but we've got bigger fish to fry right now!

I mean we can throw Jesus under the bus for a bit

because we've just got to get Trump elected.

Trump is OUR ONLY HOPE!


Vigano inverted the Gospel in his letter to Trump stating:

"In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority."
https://novusordowatch.org/2020/06/heresy-naturalism-in-vigano-letter-to-president-trump/

The majority of humanity are "children of light"???

Really?

Is that how Jesus saw it?

What about the narrow gate and the fewness of the saved?