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Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2023, 04:35:46 PM »
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  • Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

    Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.

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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #16 on: February 20, 2023, 05:56:55 PM »
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  • People need the gospel, not politics.
    We need both the Good News and +Vigano's reality check.
    You call it politics, but it's actually preparing us for persecution.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary


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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #17 on: February 20, 2023, 07:43:39 PM »
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  • When was the last time a pope publicly  mentioned the Jєωs, or the тαℓмυd ? Other than Saint Pius X telling Herzl that he would never recognize the state of Israel, I can't think of anything from the last five hundred years.

    We're now equating a Novus ordo media Archbishop with St. Pope Pius X ?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #18 on: February 20, 2023, 07:47:41 PM »
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  • No, he now offers the TLM exclusively. I would believe he says the old Divine Office now as well.
    You've seen him celebrating the Tridentine Mass?

    Who writes his media-
    encyclicals, his English speaking altar server?

    He used two well established Opus Die publishers in the past.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #19 on: February 20, 2023, 08:46:42 PM »
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  • This has been explained to you about a half dozen times already.  It's a reference to St. Augustine, who in turn quote St. Paul to the Thessalonians for the expression "children of light".  St. Augustine's City of God specifically lays out the notion that there are two forces in the world, one tending toward God, the other away from God (and toward the devil).  He includes in those tending toward God those outside the Church who are of good will and who are trending toward God.  This does not mean that they're in a state of grace or supernaturally pleasing to God, but they can be naturally pleasing to God.  To claim othewise, that all outside the Church is sin and evil is in fact a core error of the Jansenists.

    Well even if he actually was referring to St Augustine's City of God (which he doesn't reference when discussing the "children of Light")  it would be an inversion.

    St Augustine made it clear that the fall of Rome was insignificant to God's overall plan.  Augustine explained that the Saints lost nothing by losing their earthly possessions.  The City of God is not the same as the City of Man which seeks earthly "safety" and wellbeing.

    He wrote that the attack of Rome in the year 410, therefore, should not upset Christians greatly, for the Christian faith belonged to the kingdom of the spirit and could not be identified with any particular kingdom on earth. He state that the collapse of Rome did not diminish the Christian religion, for the true Christian was a citizen of a "heavenly city" that could not possibly be pillaged by evil men, but would endure forever. Compared to heavenly city of God, the decline of Rome was unimportant. The welfare of the Christian religion was not to be identified with the material progress of Rome, or even with its very existence.

    Augustine provided comfort to Christians worried by the fall of Rome. He said that both the decay and the prosperity of Rome meant nothing in comparison with the happiness that awaited them in the "city of heaven."


    They were told that the Christian religion was measured neither by the successes nor by the failures of Rome.
    http://www.augnet.org/en/works-of-augustine/writings-of-augustine/city-of-god/2128-the-sack-of-rome/

    Does this sound like the same message Vigano gives??

    No.


    Yet Vigano never even references Augustine or the City of God in his speech to the

    "ʝʊdɛօ-Christians" collectively praying to God" (according to the advertisements)

    at the Jericho March or in his letter to Trump.

    Are you a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian, Lad?  Is Vigano a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian?

    Why would any true Catholic attend a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian prayer rally?

    The ads for the Jericho March state:

    JERICHO MARCH

    “LET THE CHURCH ROAR!”

    (The CHURCH????  Which Church???)

    Jericho March™ is comprised of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians [sic] collectively praying to God
    https://novusordowatch.org/2020/12/vigano-and-marshall-in-ecuмenical-prayer-rally/

    What does that mean, anyway?

    ʝʊdɛօ-Christians?

    Collectively praying??


    Sounds like mortal sin to me

    but I just try to follow the Catechism.  ::shrug::


    So Jєωs, Protestants, Catholics and whatnot are all members of the "roaring Church" now?

    Well, that whole First Commandment thing is neat and all

    but we've got bigger fish to fry right now!

    I mean we can throw Jesus under the bus for a bit

    because we've just got to get Trump elected.

    Trump is OUR ONLY HOPE!


    Vigano inverted the Gospel in his letter to Trump stating:

    "In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority."
    https://novusordowatch.org/2020/06/heresy-naturalism-in-vigano-letter-to-president-trump/

    The majority of humanity are "children of light"???

    Really?

    Is that how Jesus saw it?

    What about the narrow gate and the fewness of the saved?

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #20 on: February 21, 2023, 07:42:51 AM »
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  • An interesting thought:

    We routinely say that wearing a mask is not a sin.  But if doing so is actually a religious vestment and an active (however reluctant) participation in the State Satanic NWO religion, as +Vigano suggests, then I’m wondering if and whether a moral issue arises for doing so.

    I did not get the impression +Vigano was merely making an analogy, but perhaps I’m mistaken?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #21 on: February 21, 2023, 08:49:56 AM »
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  • Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

    Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.

    Sounds like the old criticisms of +Williamson:

    ”Why’s he talking about 911 or the  Jews?”
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #22 on: February 21, 2023, 09:25:00 AM »
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  • Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

    Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.

    Well said. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #23 on: February 21, 2023, 09:48:47 AM »
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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #24 on: February 21, 2023, 10:16:35 AM »
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    I see Louie has his head up his arse again:


    St. Robert Bellarmine:
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."  De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Suarez:
    Now, in the state of necessity, divine natural and positive law imposes a duty of charity under pain of mortal sin upon whoever is able to provide help, and in the state of spiritual necessity it imposes this duty above all on bishops and upon priests (as well as on the pope). The pope, as like any other superior, does not have the power to oppose this duty.  ("deest potestas in legislatore ad obligandum" De Legibus, L. VI, cap. VII, n.ll).

    St. Thomas Aquinas:
    "the state of necessity carries its own dispensation with it because necessity is not subject to law" (SI; I-II, Q.96, A.6)

    Several authorities:
    This is not, in fact, the case of authority not being bound to oblige because" summum ius summa iniuria," or one which issues an inopportune command lacking in prudence, but which nevertheless people could be bound to obey all the same in view of the common good. This is, on the other hand, the case of authority that cannot oblige, because its command is opposed to a precept of divine and natural law "more grave and obliging."8 In such a case to obey the law or the legislator would be "evil and a sin" (Suarez, De Legibus, L. VI, c. VII, n.8). St. Thomas calls obedience in such a case "evil" (SI; 11-11, Q120, A.1). Cajetan refers to it as a "vice" (Cajetan in 1.2, q.96, a.6). Hence, refusal to obey becomes a duty (i.e" inoboedientia debita).9
    http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1999_September/The_1988_Consecrations.htm 

    Naz:
    "...even for the pope the principle holds that, when the application of a law "would be contrary to the common good or to natural law [and in our case even divine-positive law-Ed.]...it is not in the power of the legislator to oblige,"13
    Naz, Dictionnaire Droit Canonique under “epikie.”

    At least a dozen additional classical authorities are cited in this 2-part study defending the RR position (Among them Gerson, Pallazini, Tito Centi, Noldin, Leo XII, St. Alphonsus, and many others):

    Part 1: http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1999_July/The_1988_Consecrations.htm 
    Part 2: http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1999_September/The_1988_Consecrations.htm 
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #25 on: February 21, 2023, 10:30:20 AM »
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  • When was the last time a pope publicly  mentioned the Jєωs, or the тαℓмυd ? Other than Saint Pius X telling Herzl that he would never recognize the state of Israel, I can't think of anything from the last five hundred years.

    Bl. Pope Pius IX put the jews back into their Ghetto.

    But Vigano is Opus Dei and no holy pope.

    His schtick is that of a “Vatican truther”.  

    He just can’t articulate the real truth because his handlers won’t let him.
     
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #26 on: February 21, 2023, 10:37:08 AM »
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  • Bl. Pope Pius IX put the Jєωs back into their Ghetto.

    But Vigano is Opus Dei and no holy pope.

    His schtick is that of a “Vatican truther”. 

    He just can’t articulate the real truth because his handlers won’t let him.
     

    You are the con-man here, not Vigano.

    You were once asked to name one single priest on planet earth that you trust, and who's position you 100% endorse.

    You could not come up with one.

    For all we know, you are a non-Catholic Jєω infiltrator assigned to discredit Vigano.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #27 on: February 21, 2023, 10:56:03 AM »
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  • Bl. Pope Pius IX put the Jєωs back into their Ghetto.

    But Vigano is Opus Dei and no holy pope.

    His schtick is that of a “Vatican truther”. 

    He just can’t articulate the real truth because his handlers won’t let him.
     

    Louie Verrecchio posted a good article that articulates the connection of +Vigano with Opus Dei. The article is five years old, but none of it has been refuted as far as I know. 

    Opus Dei’s Role in the Viganò Affair - AKA Catholic
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #28 on: February 21, 2023, 11:35:22 AM »
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  • Wow... Viggy knocked it out of the park!


    I especially appreciated his discernment in pinpointing the world's problem. "Globalist religion".


    Since he can't say the words Zionism or тαℓмυdic judaism, suggest he start inserting pictures into his epistles,
    for his flock's better understanding.





    Several genius turns of a phrase, especially this:


    “the doctrine defined ex cathedra by the Davos Sanhedrin."


    "Sanhedrin" will accurately and certainly pique the hyper-sensitivity of the ADL Fuehrer.

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    Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
    « Reply #29 on: February 21, 2023, 12:12:20 PM »
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    Diversion yes, but ultimately, the Novus ordo archbishop’s main mission is to keep
    the Recognize & Resist dialogue going.

    Francis represents the end of the papal “False Throne” as described in Pope Leo XIII’s original St. Michael’s prayer.  

    He has fulfilled his mission to wreck the visible Church and demean the Papacy. He’s in a death spiral and even his Novus ordo following knows it.

    Vigano is there to narrate, to keep the faithful engaged in Recognize & Resist dialogue.

    He would never admit that тαℓмυdic judaism is the root of the globalist cabal or that the Jews have been running the “False Throne”since the 1940’s.

    He couldn’t do it because he’s part of Opus Dei, which is them.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi